Eagle Ridge Area Closures to Motorized Vehicles

[old trials guy]

PART 1:

Here is your opportunity to participate in becoming informed. Rather than provide input as a stakeholder we are allowed to be informed of recently imposed closures.
(I hope you all recognize the sarcastic tone...it was intended).


Subject: Eagle Mountain Motorized Vehicle Restrictions - Open House

Hello,

The City of Coquitlam is hosting an Open House on January 27 from 5-7:30 pm to inform the public of the recently imposed restrictions on Eagle Mountain. Please see attached legal notice from the Ministry of Tourism, Culture and the Arts and the Open House advertisement posted by the City. Both will appear in today's edition of the Tri City news and again in the paper prior to the 27th.


Please pass on this information to other parties who may be interested.


Thank you,


Melony Burton AScT
Engineering Technologist
City of Coquitlam
Infrastructure Management
[email protected]
P: 604-927-6313
F: 604-927-6229

 

[old trials guy]

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PART 2:

Here is theBC Government Legal Notice:

http://www.dualsportbc.com/photogallery/data/780/304TCA10_001_EagleMtn_LegalNotice_v01.pdf


I plan to attend so I can try and understand what the process is (or was) and how we can insure we will be part of the process in the future.

Arbitrary closures will continue unless we can convince governments that we are legitimate stake holders and must be included in the decisions made regarding access to public land.

otg

 

[motorambler]

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Marked it on my calendar -- I'll be there.

 

[KTM-Bryon]

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I should be there after supper - 6:30 ish I hope.

 

[tomcycle]

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Just a reminder to those who want to attend this meeting, I hope a couple of guys can make it and report on what is happening and the attitude of those running the meeting

Tom

 

[old trials guy]

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tomcycle wrote:

Just a reminder to those who want to attend this meeting, I hope a couple of guys can make it and report on what is happening and the attitude of those running the meeting

Tom

I plan to attend however it is important to note that this is indeed not a meeting but an "open house" to inform us to what has already been decided and acted upon. My hope is that they do recognize there are legitimate historical users of the crown land adjacent to the closed municiple lands and thereis be a plan to provide access.

I will try to gather as much information as possible.

otg

 

[KTM-Bryon]

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tomcycle wrote:

Just a reminder to those who want to attend this meeting, I hope a couple of guys can make it and report on what is happening and the attitude of those running the meeting

Tom

My girlfriend talked to the city of Coquitlam and they said:

"there is a presentation at 530 and 630 (same 10 min powerpoint pres.) "

Also, there were previous meeting in Jan. and June 2009. See attached minutes.

 

[KTM-Bryon]

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Meeting minutes continued. This is a list of who attended previous meetings.

 

[motorambler]

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What time are you fellas showing up? Btw, this is at Pinetree & Guildford, right?

 

[KTM-Bryon]

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bikerideswith.me wrote:

What time are you fellas showing up? Btw, this is at Pinetree & Guildford, right?

I was aiming for 6:30 or earlier and otg said he would be there about 6.

 

[c4c]

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Damn, I wish I saw this earlier.....:X

I've ridden this area for over 20 years but don't go there that often anymore. It's nowhere as busy as it used to be in the past and the times that I have been there during the past few years I've ran into very few other bikes/quads/4x4's up there, what has triggered this to happen??

The majority of the 'trails' that the leaf lickers now pedal orhike were made by m/c riders :mad3:

Can someone that attended this let us know the details

 

[hightoweratwork]

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Well the meeting went okay, Nobody was shouting or fist a flying.

Basically it is a ~~ $156.00 fine if you are caught riding your bike or 4x4 under the power lines north east of the Westood Plateau golf course (Right off Plateua BLV).

http://maps.google.ca/maps?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&tab=wl&q

Plateau Blvd, Coquitlam, Greater Vancouver Regional District, British Columbia


The RCMP and Ministry of Tourism will be checking the vehicles in the area.

This is to stop the Damage of sediment and run off entering the Coquitlam river.

This is to stop the burning and detroying of Cars, the dumping of garbage and vandalising of the BC Hydro's towers.

Realistically this is going to stop the 95% of the good upstanding 4x4 that just want to ride tough trails and maybe stop the 5% of the yahos that caused all thedamage in the first place.

Mike Peters ofMinistry of Tourism was encouraging the people to form a group or gather the individual voices together and talk to the different parties involve.The bigger groups like BCORMA (British Columbia Off-Road Motorcycling Association) should be there to represent us in a louder voice.

I hope this helps for the peolpe that were not there and for the poeple that were there, if my take was different than your, post up.

Shane

 

[old trials guy]

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Your report pretty well covers it Hightower other than there will be another meeting where hopefully stakeholders and landowners can meet and work out a solution. I think you are also correct in suggesting that BCCORMA could possibly be the better choice for representing the voice of motorcyclists (both off-road and dual sport).

Mike Peters from Tourism was candid and appears on side with maintaining access to the crown land on Eagle Ridge to motorized recreation.

Can any of the directors of BCCORMA respond to these comments?

otg

 

[motorambler]

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Yeah I agree that Mike was pretty informative & I liked the fact that he didn't gravitate towards any particular agenda. OTG, I think the speakers were really receptive to your work-around suggestions, especially the gal from the Coquitlam Engineering Dept.

All in all I think the meeting went a little too well, meaning that I'm not really convinced that the *real* bureaucratic decision makers were there & all we got were some very agreeable placeholders -- I hope I'm wrong.

I thought there was someone from BCORMA there. Was there no official BCORMA representation there last night?

 

[tomcycle]

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DualSportBC is a member club of BCORMA and I represent DSBCon the BCORMA board.

Im not here to defend BCORMA but three years ago we (off road motorcycles) had no representation at all, now that we do there will be lots of catching up to do. I am glad that MOTCA recognises BCORMAand you guys realise that we need an active association to represent us at these kind of meetings.

BCORMA has little resources and lots of issues to try and address, we are constantly trying to be aware and proactive with these land useissues. BCORMA has no land use director at this time. We all pitch in and do what we can (none of us get paid), sometimes we just run out of time. In the future I will make sure that BCORMA is aware of meetings posted here on the DSBC site, and make sure that they are represented so we are represented.

I'm sure that everyone that posts that, BCORMA should have been there, has their 2010Trail Pass? I know motorambler does (I guess that made you the BCORMA Rep:shoot
If we could get 10% of the off road riders to get Trail Pass there would be a budget for a Land Use Director.

Anyhow you guys were there and I thank you for that.

Tom

 

[motorambler]

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Tom, clear something up for me if you can. I understand that DSBC is under the BCORMA umbrella, but do you really feel that BCORMA's interests are "aligned" with ours? Specifically, aren't BCORMA's interests directed more towards off-road only types of areas like McNutt, rather than the more publicly accessed roads/trails that us DSBC'ers would travel?

 

[tomcycle]

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motorambler wrote:

Tom, clear something up for me if you can. I understand that DSBC is under the BCORMA umbrella, but do you really feel that BCORMA's interests are "aligned" with ours? Specifically, aren't BCORMA's interests directed more towards off-road only types of areas like McNutt, rather than the more publicly accessed roads/trails that us DSBC'ers would travel?

Well the other option is BCCOM, I think our group is more aligned with BCORMA

Yes your are right BCORMA is full off road, but they understand how big the Dual Sport crowd is and we have a lot of common issues concerning Off Pavement Access. DualSportBC is a hard group to pigeon hole, most of us own more than two bikes. Thats what makes us different than the other clubs.

You just have to look to see where DSBC members are riding then check out to see what BCORMA is doing in those areas. Remember BCORMA is only three years old, BCORMA has a lot more to do to get up to speed with all the off pavement issues.

One of the biggest hurdles that BCORMA has to jump, will be awarness with all offroad riders. BCORMA is well known within the club circles, but we still have a long way to go to make sure everyone knows what we are doing.

Maybe we should start a "Just What is BCORMA and Why Should I Care" thread?

Tom

 

[KTM-Bryon]

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Twopoints that Mike Peters made at the open house (that turned into a meeting that I arrivedlate to)were:

1. A group is heard better than an individual and a large group is better than a bunch of small groups. He went as far as suggesting the ATV, moto, mtb, hiking groups all work together when talking with the government on land issues.
2. The eagle ridge area trails, like many other trails, are not in the government data base of trails and thereforeconsultation with stakeholds before, for example,a developementor land use changewould not include trail users.

I know it is very hard to work together when there are so many different attitudes on trail use.

Tom can you suggest a path forward to get the eagle ridge trails in the "system"?

 

[tomcycle]

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I will contact Peter at BCORMA and see what direction he can provide and report back here

Tom



KTM-Bryon wrote:

Twopoints that Mike Peters made at the open house (that turned into a meeting that I arrivedlate to)were:

1. A group is heard better than an individual and a large group is better than a bunch of small groups. He went as far as suggesting the ATV, moto, mtb, hiking groups all work together when talking with the government on land issues.
2. The eagle ridge area trails, like many other trails, are not in the government data base of trails and thereforeconsultation with stakeholds before, for example,a developementor land use changewould not include trail users.

I know it is very hard to work together when there are so many different attitudes on trail use.

Tom can you suggest a path forward to get the eagle ridge trails in the "system"?

 

[tomcycle]

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Got this from Peter, its self explanatory. If you guys need some help let me know and I will trywhere I can

Tom

Basically the same process/non-process as club areas, there really is no
distinction. Consultations would include trail users in the area. The
most important thing is to get the trails surveyed with quality GPS and
technique, then submit the data to me to catalogue it as ORM/multi-use
trails. I'll work on moving it up and through the departments of
Government to get the trails at least recognized as little "e" established.

There is an increased recognition of established trails vs Established
by the Government Ministries. ILMB are still big E types, but things
have come a long way in the last two years. It is very important to
have your local Recreation Officer be aware of the trails and the
body/group that are the stewards. From there someone needs to step
forward and assume the role as trail stewards and pursue a Section 56
with MoTCA. Thats were the group thing comes in. Your Rec Officer is
your guardian, never forget that. All land-use referrals have to go
through him/her.

I envision there will be a time very soon when BCORMA will take on the
role as stewards in some areas, but it is really for the local riders to
step forward and put something back into the sport for themselves, their
families, and future riders with BCORMA's assistance.





BCORMA and see what direction he can provide and report back here

Tom



KTM-Bryon wrote:

Twopoints that Mike Peters made at the open house (that turned into a meeting that I arrivedlate to)were:

1. A group is heard better than an individual and a large group is better than a bunch of small groups. He went as far as suggesting the ATV, moto, mtb, hiking groups all work together when talking with the government on land issues.
2. The eagle ridge area trails, like many other trails, are not in the government data base of trails and thereforeconsultation with stakeholds before, for example,a developementor land use changewould not include trail users.

I know it is very hard to work together when there are so many different attitudes on trail use.

Tom can you suggest a path forward to get the eagle ridge trails in the "system"?

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