2011 TE310 clutch question

[kenf]

A while back I started to notice my clutch was getting really grabby and noisy when pulling off the line for the very first time on any given ride, but this would pretty much immediately disappear for the rest of the ride and wouldn't be noticeable until the bike was parked and cold again. Then again, grabby, screeching "dust in the brakes" kind of noise for the first engagement, then just fine for the rest of the ride.

Clutch has seen much abuse, as I ended up riding the Loose Screw B+ with the highway sprocket (oops) and other stupidity, but there no slippage or anything else to suggest it's in need of service, just this brief bit of nastiness on startup. Bike has about 5000km and under 100hrs on it.

I found some threads on other forums that refer to "cush drive bushing" hardening up and making the clutch grabby, but no indication that it would go away after being ridden, not sure if this is the same issue or not.

I'll admit to not knowing much about clutch internals, so any advice here would be greatly appreciated. Anybody else had this problem, or have any suggestions what it could be, if I should be seriously concerned, and how to address it?

Thx!
KF

 

[tomcycle]

I will watch this tread, my 310 does the same thing, clutch has been thru much abuse but shows no sign of slipping, just really grabby first thing at start up. After that all is good. Mine has been like that for some time doesnt seem to be getting worse

Tom

 

[kenf]

Cool, glad it's not just me. I spent a bunch of time looking very closely at the parts manual and comparing with the ZipTy Racing "fix" and I don't really get how the symptoms I/you are seeing could be related to what they are fixing. Since the clutch still seems to be working fine otherwise, I also will just keep an eye on it, will update the thread if anything changes, or if/when I actually open it up and check/replace the disks.

In the meanwhile, I'll just have to live with that embarrassing screech and lurch off the line first thing in the morning, when it looks like I've forgotten how to ride since the night before. Every single day...

Thx!
KF

 

[flyn]

I'm not that familiar with the husky engine layout, Does the engine and transmission share the same oil? It might be a simple oil issue. Did you know you should never use an automotive oil in your bike.They do not have the friction modifiyers that are required for a bike clutch

Finn

 

[skidmark43]

This is a common nuisance.
The plates are prone to sticking when cold, the oil film seems to create a bit of a bond.
Give your clutch cover a decent kick following warm-up and you shouldn't experience it. Otherwise the issue always seems to go away after a few minutes.

Finn, yes these engines do not separate the tranny / crank oil. I've used AGIP or AmSoil full synth m/c oil in both my Huskies sine new...

Mark

 

[kenf]

Dealer recommended 10W60 full synthetic, Agip or Motul, oil & filter every 10 to 20 hours since new. I was guessing it might have been related to dryish plates after sitting, but haven't ever felt this with any other bikes over the years so was mildly concerned. Thanks for the info!

KF

 

[kenf]

Got a set of replacement plates yesterday. When I pulled the old ones out, I was a bit surprised to find that, with over 7000km on the bike, much of it done with abusive amounts of clutch slippage due to running highway gearing on hard single track (oops), there was no visible wear to any of them, and the thickness on both the drive and friction plates matched the replacement plates to within the resolution of my micrometer, no more then 0.001" of wear. Seriously?!??

Oh, well, new plates were already paid for so I threw them in anyhow, and lo and behold, my clutch is now beautifully smooth and silent. I can only guess that maybe I had a slightly warped plate, or maybe some of the friction plates had worn unevenly so I just happened to measure them all in the non-worn areas.

Anyhow, Tom, not sure if yours is still the same or any worse, but the new plates certainly seem to have done the trick.

Aside from that, one general question about clutches. This was the first time I've had one apart, and I was pretty surprised at how dry it was in there. There was certainly a bit of oil on everything, but they certainly don't look like they are being bathed in it. Does that seem normal, or should I be concerned...?

 

[tomcycle]

I still have the original clutch pack

I have already bought a new pack "just in case" but have not had the impulse to change yet.

TT

 

[tomcycle]

Ken

The 2013 TE310 is now having a really grabby and noisy clutch, whos fibers did you order? or was it a whole clutch pack?

T

 

[Ti welder]

Ken

The 2013 TE310 is now having a really grabby and noisy clutch, whos fibers did you order? or was it a whole clutch pack?

T

Any wear on the basket fingers? That was always the culprit in my case, you can file or have it machined but its short lived as there is then more slap
Generally the wear on the pressure plate and basket to friction disk areas are what fail unless your a clutch slipper IMHO of course!
My crf still had the factory clutch after 3 new top ends, never even had it apart (yes it chattered when cold)
The bike before that got a hinson basket, new pressure plate and all new disks
Figured the hinson would last longer than oem but NOT! That bike had 6 pistons (2 stroke kx)

Also, soak the plates over night, Had a barnet clutch loose chunks and delaminate first time out on a banshee, that really sucked

 

[tomcycle]

apparently there is a common problem with the Husky clutch, there are some "cushions" built into the clutch basket to take up some impact of clutching. These cushions for some reason become very hard and no longer provide the cushioning effect and allow a lash of 1/4 to 3/8 of an inch, hence the clutch chatter. These cushions are a non serviceable part, so Zip Tye racing had developed a kit to update the cushions.

So you guessed it I bought the kit. To bad the parts don't come in RED

 

[kenf]

Ken

The 2013 TE310 is now having a really grabby and noisy clutch, whos fibers did you order? or was it a whole clutch pack?

T

From what I can recall (and rereading my own post above), I was only able to order a full clutch pack, not fibers only. I tried locally, couldn't get any shop to confirm they would be able to get them in a reasonable amount of time, so I went with the OEM pack from Hall's Cycles in Springfield IL (yes, I know, they aren't a site sponsor -- if you can find me a site sponsor that stocks every part Husky ever made for every year in production, I'll certainly give them a shout out. In the meanwhile -- Hall's remains my go-to for most parts).

Cheers
KF

 

[kenf]

I also found the Zipty site and was going to try that too, but the new clutch pack completely solved my issues at the time.

 

[Ti welder]

My KX had that, you reused them and the splined hub with the new hinson not so tuff basket
Sure the anodizing helps, but that stuff aint very thick