BMW Class Action Lawsuit

deuce

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Lets teach those greedy bastards at BMW a lesson in Canadian economics and free trade. Plus you might get some money back

http://vancouver.craigslist.ca/mcy/579370730.html

"Have you been forced to pay $500 to BMW Canada (or any other motorcycle importer) for a "Recall Clearance Letter" in order to import a motorcycle from the United States? If so, please contact me - I am a lawyer putting together a class action suit to arrange for refunds of all such fees on the footing that they are an unlawful tariff or duty on importation and constitute an unlawful restraint of trade."
 

tomcycle

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Lets just settle down for a minute:mad3:

The guy on craigslist does not even list his name or phone number, if he really was a lawyer he would list his firm.:?

Lets teach those greedy bastards at BMW a lesson in Canadian economics and free trade. Plus you might get some money back


Hard language, I can only assume you don't own a BMW or plan on buying one, if you do I would think you will be paying a premium from this day forward. Can you blame them?

Who are thegreedy bastards at BMW, the dealer,BMW Canada, BMW corporate.



I agree that 500 bucks is a lot of money fora recall clearance letter, if you don't like the price make sure your dealer and BMW Canada knows about it. Someone has to do work here, you probably want to get paid to do your job.

My personal opinion BMW is shooting themselves in the foot. A fee for the recall clearance letter is justified, but 500 dollars is too hard to swallow:wi:. They (the dealers) have to remember these bikes will need parts accessories and repairs. I think the vast majority of riders will not go through the hoops to import a bike.

Remember when we couldn't even import any motor-vehicle, for any price????

Am I starting to sound like a BMW owner? :)

Tom



 

skidmark43

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DSBC has long been sponsored by a BMW dealer in Victoria, and another in Richmond.

Good people who are active on this forum and 'support the sport'.

No I don't own a BMW; nor would I dream of defending the 'recall letter' policy.

Deuce, take yourrhetoric to IslandRider, BCSB, Bikeland or RoadApples. It doesn't belong here.

Mark
 

SubMann

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Another quality contribution to the forum brought to you by "deuce".

So BMW is the only brand that I know of that lowered their prices A LOT for 2008. Anyone else? Where the post about that?

Let see, it should read "Those greedy bastards at BMW lowered their prices so that they could sell more bikes and make more money, thus taking more money from the Canadian riding public." Bad BMW!

:mb:
 

JetDog

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SubMann wrote:
Another quality contribution to the forum brought to you by "deuce".

So BMW is the only brand that I know of that lowered their prices A LOT for 2008. Anyone else? Where the post about that?

Let see, it should read "Those greedy bastards at BMW lowered their prices so that they could sell more bikes and make more money, thus taking more money from the Canadian riding public." Bad BMW!

:mb:
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Julius

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Hey,

Every single company in business (any business) is there to make a profit. 'Profit' is not a dirty word. Calling BMW 'greedy bastards' is out of line. I don't know if BMW is up to skullduggery, but they deservesome respect as they are a company in good standing in Canada.

If I were a corporate exec I would back a $ cost (to consumers)that helps a consumer bypass the local dealer network. Absolutely yes. And $500.00, that's not enough. It should be more. Do you know why some Chinese motorcycles are so cheap? One reason is some brands don't have a 'dealer with parts' network. It takes a huge amount offunding to back a transportation product like cars and bikes with service and parts.

Cross border shopping and the price/cost issue is not a simple situation to resolve. There is a lot more to it than just simple numbers. No one company or government can be blamed for the issues at hand.

My 2 cents.
 

joker650

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I don't know how this "extra" cost works but.........

I would think that if a bike or car is bought from a certified dealer either in the USA or Canada the warranty should still be covered in the other country. Is it not the FACTORY that that covers the warranty costs?

On the other hand...if a dealer wishes to charge $3000 more for a product than other dealers are and can stay in business, all the more power to them.
 

Julius

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joker650 wrote:
Is it not the FACTORY that that covers the warranty costs?

Well...not always. When I worked in the consumer electronics industry, a products warranty may not be paid forby the manufacture. In some cases the warranty is paid by the importer/distributor or some companies have separate sub companies in different countries. Sony Canada is/was a separate company from Sony USA is/was a separate company from Sony Japan (head office). The warranty was covered in the country of importation only. US Sony had no warranty in Canada and vise versa. I don't know how it works for Honda, Suzuki, or BMW, but don't assume the manufacture is the warranty provider; it's not always the case.



That said anyone considering purchasing and importingany products from out of country should do 'due diligence' in knowing all the pertinent information regarding warranty and other issues for that item.



I think I'm up to a nickel now.
 

deuce

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SubMann wrote:
Another quality contribution to the forum brought to you by "deuce". My pleasure :hb:

So BMW is the only brand that I know of that lowered their prices A LOT for 2008. Anyone else? Where the post about that? Harley Davidson were the first and dropped prices the most

Let see, it should read "Those greedy bastards at BMW lowered their prices so that they could sell more bikes and make more money, thus taking more money from the Canadian riding public." Bad BMW! They are being greedy by putting up financial roadblocks to keep buyers from purchasing their product in the U.S. for 10-25% cheaper. DUH!!

:mb:That is one fat ass you have there :shock:
 

deuce

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tomcycle wrote:
Lets just settle down for a minute:mad3:

The guy on craigslist does not even list his name or phone number, if he really was a lawyer he would list his firm.:? He is most likely doing it on his own soas not to get his firm's name involved

Lets teach those greedy bastards at BMW a lesson in Canadian economics and free trade. Plus you might get some money back


Hard language, I can only assume you don't own a BMW or plan on buying one, if you do I would think you will be paying a premium from this day forward. Can you blame them? I have owned over 15 BMW's in the last 10yrs. No, I won't be buying another one after the LEMON yellow GS 1200 I had to get rid of.

Who are thegreedy bastards at BMW, the dealer,BMW Canada, BMW corporate. Corporate of course! The poor dealers are left holding the bag trying to make a living. BMW Canada are just lackies for the Boys in Munich.



I agree that 500 bucks is a lot of money fora recall clearance letter, if you don't like the price make sure your dealer and BMW Canada knows about it. Someone has to do work here, you probably want to get paid to do your job. It takes someones poor secretary a whole 5 secs to push the print key for the form letter they charge you $500 for.

My personal opinion BMW is shooting themselves in the foot. A fee for the recall clearance letter is justified, but 500 dollars is too hard to swallow:wi:. They (the dealers) have to remember these bikes will need parts accessories and repairs. I think the vast majority of riders will not go through the hoops to import a bike. The hoops are small and easy to hop through. Just takes time. Remember BMW was sending a couple hundred of these letters out per month before they added their special 'Surcharge" One of the local dealers own employees was buying bikes in the States and flipping them here.

Remember when we couldn't even import any motor-vehicle, for any price???? I am just a youngster I guess.

Am I starting to sound like a BMW owner? :)Pretty close but you have to work on the whining a bit more :Dand buy more farkles for your bike :tup:

Tom



 

deuce

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joker650 wrote:
I don't know how this "extra" cost works but.........

I would think that if a bike or car is bought from a certified dealer either in the USA or Canada the warranty should still be covered in the other country. Is it not the FACTORY that that covers the warranty costs? Depends on the manufacturer. Honda, Nissan, Toyota will NOT honour their warranty in Canada if the vehicle was purchased in the U.S.New or used. For Honda this applies to their motorcycles as well. The first thing you should checkbefore buying is if the warranty is transferable. KTM, Suzuki and Triumph do honour the warranty on both sides of the border.

On the other hand...if a dealer wishes to charge $3000 more for a product than other dealers are and can stay in business, all the more power to them. Agree 100% Let the consumer decide.
 

SubMann

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deuce wrote:
SubMann wrote:


So BMW is the only brand that I know of that lowered their prices A LOT for 2008. Anyone else? Where the post about that? Harley Davidson were the first and dropped prices the most

No, George W. Bush lowered the price of the Harley along with the rest of the US economy. Harley can't take credit for that.

Let see, it should read "Those greedy bastards at BMW lowered their prices so that they could sell more bikes and make more money, thus taking more money from the Canadian riding public." Bad BMW! They are being greedy by putting up financial roadblocks to keep buyers from purchasing their product in the U.S. for 10-25% cheaper. DUH!!

Have you price shopped for a new BMW north or south of the border this month? Used bikes BMW don't have any control over.

So are you on the other auto forums whining about their import regulations too? They are worse than the BMW rules. Or just over here pissing on BMW?

Why don't you complain about the Vancouver BMW/Ducati dealer charging double for service to US bikes.

In fact since you don't ride with anyone here, don't participate in any dual sport events, don't own a dual sport bike, why are you even on this forum?

Take you whining and walk into the dealer and deal with it. Quit bitching in the third person on here.
 

JetDog

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SubMann wrote:
deuce wrote:
SubMann wrote:


So BMW is the only brand that I know of that lowered their prices A LOT for 2008. Anyone else? Where the post about that? Harley Davidson were the first and dropped prices the most

No, George W. Bush lowered the price of the Harley along with the rest of the US economy. Harley can't take credit for that.

Let see, it should read "Those greedy bastards at BMW lowered their prices so that they could sell more bikes and make more money, thus taking more money from the Canadian riding public." Bad BMW! They are being greedy by putting up financial roadblocks to keep buyers from purchasing their product in the U.S. for 10-25% cheaper. DUH!!

Have you price shopped for a new BMW north or south of the border this month? Used bikes BMW don't have any control over.

So are you on the other auto forums whining about their import regulations too? They are worse than the BMW rules. Or just over here pissing on BMW?

Why don't you complain about the Vancouver BMW/Ducati dealer charging double for service to US bikes.

In fact since you don't ride with anyone here, don't participate in any dual sport events, don't own a dual sport bike, why are you even on this forum?

Take you whining and walk into the dealer and deal with it. Quit bitching in the third person on here.
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amigoride

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Perhaps the negative "greedy bastards" is born out of the fact that some manufacturersU.S. distributioncharge 0 for a recall clearance letter. Last SpringI received a letter from Kawasaki U.S.A. within 24 hours of my telephone request. No charge. The difference between 0 $$ and $500.00 seems to me quite dramatic. At first glance, based on my experience,I'd have to agree that the fee is "excessive" if not greedy.

B.B.
 

deuce

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SubMann wrote:
deuce wrote:
SubMann wrote: 


So BMW is the only brand that I know of that lowered their prices A LOT for 2008. Anyone else? Where the post about that?  Harley Davidson were the first and dropped prices the most

No, George W. Bush lowered the price of the Harley along with the rest of the US economy. Harley can't take credit for that.


Let see, it should read "Those greedy bastards at BMW lowered their prices so that they could sell more bikes and make more money, thus taking more money from the Canadian riding public." Bad BMW! They are being greedy by putting up financial roadblocks to keep buyers from purchasing their product in the U.S. for 10-25% cheaper. DUH!!

Have you price shopped for a new BMW north or south of the border this month? Used bikes BMW don't have any control over.

So are you on the other auto forums whining about their import regulations too? They are worse than the BMW rules. Or just over here pissing on BMW?

Why don't you complain about the Vancouver BMW/Ducati dealer charging double for service to US bikes.
In fact since you don't ride with anyone here, don't participate in any dual sport events, don't own a dual sport bike, why are you even on this forum?

Take you whining and walk into the dealer and deal with it. Quit bitching in the third person on here.
George would have my vote again :D

I had to report the dealer in Vancouver, John Valk, to the Motor Dealers Association for trying to rip me off. I had my money in 3 days
:p

I do shift work so miss out on lots of events, rides etc with my riding buddies. So I ride alone a lot. Or with my wife. She does shift work too so when we have days off together we ride together. I would rather be following her butt down the road than yours.

I did have two dual sports, KLR and piece of poop BMW GS. I am looking for another one right now. Dual sport NOT GS :p

Why harrass the poor dealer, he is just trying to make a living selling expensive product that is cheaper 50 kms from here.

Who's whining anyway? I was just passing on some info for the people to use to their advantage or not. :hb:
 
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A friend of mine went to his local dealership and paid the $500. An hour later he went back to ask a question and there was a sign on the door that read "Gone to the pub. If you are a BMW Canada customer, come join us. Free beer! Cheers!"

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joker650 wrote:
I don't know how this "extra" cost works but.........

I would think that if a bike or car is bought from a certified dealer either in the USA or Canada the warranty should still be covered in the other country. Is it not the FACTORY that that covers the warranty costs?

On the other hand...if a dealer wishes to charge $3000 more for a product than other dealers are and can stay in business, all the more power to them.

Having done several recall letters, I'll try and throw some light on why this came about.

BMW Canada were experiencing a 'revolt' from their dealers, over the fact that, by supporting the Warranty on US bikes imported into Canada, they were effectively destroying their own dealership network. It is known that US dealers who sell bikes to Canadians, don't bother to check for recalls and wrote a letter anyway, just to get the sale.

This now meant that BMW Canada were inadvertantly honouring warranty claims on bikes that did not have recalls. To try to appeas the dealers, BMW decided to handle the recall investigation themselves and produce a letter of confirmation, when they received notification from BMW US (and yes, the recalls are different in the US) and then they were happy to honour the outstanding warranties.

In order to help their whining dealers, BMW decided that part of the cost would be rebated to the dealer doing the VIN check. So, they dreamt up $250 for the dealer and $250 for BMW Canada.

Now it's important to remember that most dealers in BC (and Canada) told BMW Canada to stick the $250 up their arses and refused to do the VIN check anyway.

So, the whole thing didn't work as it should have done and we (Pac Yam/BMW) were handling recall letters from as far as the Okanagan and Kamloops. Why did we not refuse as well ? Because a revolt from the dealer network won't stop the imports anyway and just pisses off new BMW customers who probably want their Recalls/Warranty and service done in Canada. We gained a fair number of new Customers to our service dept and better still, they were all spitting blood about dealing anywhere else ! Everyone knows that there is no money in 'Selling' bikes anymore, only servicing them and we didn'tgive s..twhere it came from!

Every single recall letter done between July 07 and December 07 was for a used bike (except one) and therefore hardly represented the loss of a 'New' sale.

Why isn't this an issue with the other manufacturers ? Because the warranty on other manufacturers bikes isn't worth the paper it's printed on in the first place,so the ongoing Warranty coverage isn't so much of an issue on a used bike. And believe me, when your shaft seals blow on a BMW, you really do need that Warranty !!:hr:

Happy days !!

Ian
 
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Sorry, as for class action ? Not a prayer !!:spl:
 

tomcycle

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Thanks Ian

Even I can understand that.

I will close this thread now unless someone has something important to add (just PM me)
 
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