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DR650 vs DRZ400
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Buckethead
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(Sorry about the threadjack...)
The DRZ is not a race bike, but it does seem to be a reasonably popular privateer rally platform. Check out the entrants for theaustralian safari as an example.
More DRZ rally porn:
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(Sorry about the threadjack...)
The DRZ is not a race bike, but it does seem to be a reasonably popular privateer rally platform. Check out the entrants for theaustralian safari as an example.
More DRZ rally porn:
Phoenix
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zokalr13 wrote:
The DR650 is an awsome commuter bike. My first year of owning mine was mainly spent commuting with the stock trailwing tires. Nimble, more than enough power with stock gearing for highway etc. As of late I have been doing more off road use, easiest mod there with an immediate benefit was changing the countersprocket which only takes minutes if you want to switch back and forth. If you are not really concerned about off road performance I think you would be happy with the DR. Both bikes are reliable but the DR is not water cooled, hence one less system to maintain.
Cheers.
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zokalr13 wrote:
The DR650 is an awsome commuter bike. My first year of owning mine was mainly spent commuting with the stock trailwing tires. Nimble, more than enough power with stock gearing for highway etc. As of late I have been doing more off road use, easiest mod there with an immediate benefit was changing the countersprocket which only takes minutes if you want to switch back and forth. If you are not really concerned about off road performance I think you would be happy with the DR. Both bikes are reliable but the DR is not water cooled, hence one less system to maintain.
Cheers.
zokalr13
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thanks for the info-its hard to get real world rider impressions on bikes- mostly its ego- maniacs posting pics of their modded bikes- im still looking at the dr650 or xr650l got the cash ready- just waiting for a good deal[ soon]or until the THC wears off from the sellers....:spl:
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thanks for the info-its hard to get real world rider impressions on bikes- mostly its ego- maniacs posting pics of their modded bikes- im still looking at the dr650 or xr650l got the cash ready- just waiting for a good deal[ soon]or until the THC wears off from the sellers....:spl:
trialslord
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The DR 650 is a great bike,good for commuting and descent for longer distance travel....you would want to up grade the seat though! off road performance is pretty good considering it's size and weight.Some dunlopD 606 tires and a smaller counter sprocket is the best way to get big gains.I can routinely keep up to smaller 400-450's off road....except when it gets to technical.....the bike is heavey so it will tire you out fast if trying to single track it aggressively!
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James
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The DR 650 is a great bike,good for commuting and descent for longer distance travel....you would want to up grade the seat though! off road performance is pretty good considering it's size and weight.Some dunlopD 606 tires and a smaller counter sprocket is the best way to get big gains.I can routinely keep up to smaller 400-450's off road....except when it gets to technical.....the bike is heavey so it will tire you out fast if trying to single track it aggressively!
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James
zokalr13
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i wont use a DR650 for single track- ive got a KX500 for serious off roading stuff- im just looking for a stone cold reliable-cheap to run-THUMPER to ride to work and the bike shops and the beer/wine store and some HWY to my sisters farmin SALMON ARM once and awhile... if i take it off road ill take it easy,though..i dont like to trash on my daily driver too much....
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i wont use a DR650 for single track- ive got a KX500 for serious off roading stuff- im just looking for a stone cold reliable-cheap to run-THUMPER to ride to work and the bike shops and the beer/wine store and some HWY to my sisters farmin SALMON ARM once and awhile... if i take it off road ill take it easy,though..i dont like to trash on my daily driver too much....
Phoenix
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Stone cold reliable, ride to work, beer/wine store, occasional trail that IS the DR personified. Strap a milk crate to the back and you have the commuter haul a** machine. Change oil, adjust valves once in awhile drink pilsners and enjoy, no need for call to doctor in morning:clap:.
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Stone cold reliable, ride to work, beer/wine store, occasional trail that IS the DR personified. Strap a milk crate to the back and you have the commuter haul a** machine. Change oil, adjust valves once in awhile drink pilsners and enjoy, no need for call to doctor in morning:clap:.
Phoenix
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The earlier kick models require a technique(decomp lever),E start is very nice on a thumper. Pre 2003 may or may not have base gasket issues. Anything after '96 until current year is virtually unchanged aside from metal base gasket in 2004. I would think a '93 for that price better be low miles and mintcondition, considering recent asking and sale prices right here on DSBC for much newer models.Check this link for more DR650 info http://dr650.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page.
Cheers.
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The earlier kick models require a technique(decomp lever),E start is very nice on a thumper
. Pre 2003 may or may not have base gasket issues. Anything after '96 until current year is virtually unchanged aside from metal base gasket in 2004. I would think a '93 for that price better be low miles and mintcondition, considering recent asking and sale prices right here on DSBC for much newer models.Check this link for more DR650 info http://dr650.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page. Cheers.
Buck
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Phoenix wrote:
Yeah, the DR650 is an extremely versatile bike. It is not meant to be competitive. With various accessories mine has been a street bike,a dirt bike, asupermoto, and an adventure tourer. This is my third one, an '03 now with almost 40,000 km. Replaced the base gasket three years back, no other issues besides the usual wear items. Old school reliable, easy to maintain, cheap to own, fun to ride and abuse, it never complains.
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Phoenix wrote:
Yeah, the DR650 is an extremely versatile bike. It is not meant to be competitive. With various accessories mine has been a street bike,a dirt bike, asupermoto, and an adventure tourer. This is my third one, an '03 now with almost 40,000 km. Replaced the base gasket three years back, no other issues besides the usual wear items. Old school reliable, easy to maintain, cheap to own, fun to ride and abuse, it never complains.
zokalr13
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well thanks for HYPIN the DR650..:shoot:i bought the '93 today..$2000.00 and its in decent shape!!! and rode it today [froze my hands]but im happy ..thanks DSBC ers good info and your right its a good all-rounder...:hb:YEAH,i can kick this thing over like ..big deal.. but in this coldsnap-fuggettabout it!!- hope this bikeis OK.. as far as mods go :it needs new tires and fork sealssticker removal-restoration and mech tech inspec - its just a commuter and trail [not single track] bike that is a TRUE dual-sport that goes from A to B that looks RETRO [with early 90s neon colors]HA HA HA HA..aw well ,it gets 40 mpg and is bullet-proofand goes OK..the reason i bought it?? i could'nt stand not having a bike to ride to work !!!!! the KX500?? well its gonna be a work in progress as i willprobably put $$ into fixing up and maintaining the DR650[hope not to waste too much$$]but i will have the mighty KX500 done up by summertime...............:tup:ZO13
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well thanks for HYPIN the DR650..:shoot:i bought the '93 today..$2000.00 and its in decent shape!!! and rode it today [froze my hands]but im happy ..thanks DSBC ers good info and your right its a good all-rounder...:hb:YEAH,i can kick this thing over like ..big deal.. but in this coldsnap-fuggettabout it!!- hope this bikeis OK.. as far as mods go :it needs new tires and fork sealssticker removal-restoration and mech tech inspec - its just a commuter and trail [not single track] bike that is a TRUE dual-sport that goes from A to B that looks RETRO [with early 90s neon colors]HA HA HA HA..aw well ,it gets 40 mpg and is bullet-proofand goes OK..the reason i bought it?? i could'nt stand not having a bike to ride to work !!!!! the KX500?? well its gonna be a work in progress as i willprobably put $$ into fixing up and maintaining the DR650[hope not to waste too much$$]but i will have the mighty KX500 done up by summertime...............:tup:ZO13
zokalr13
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yeah-im having fun trying to start it in sub-zero temps.....I replaced the dino oil with SYNTh5/40 and it kicks overeasier now-the plugs i replaced show it was running a little lean- i need to richen thepilot screw i guess- the bike is totally stock and original -its insured and i rode it around [its neat being the only bike] if anyone out therecan give me the proper set-up for this'93-650 engine:[jets,airfilter, airboxmod,muffler]Id really appreciate it!!!The wife calls it "slumdog"-looks like something a guy from mumbai would ride..oh well im stuck with it- so now that my right leg has rejuvenated I better get out there and see if i can fire it up butits too cold to ride though.. :X
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yeah-im having fun trying to start it in sub-zero temps.....
I replaced the dino oil with SYNTh5/40 and it kicks overeasier now-the plugs i replaced show it was running a little lean- i need to richen thepilot screw i guess- the bike is totally stock and original -its insured and i rode it around [its neat being the only bike] if anyone out therecan give me the proper set-up for this'93-650 engine:[jets,airfilter, airboxmod,muffler]Id really appreciate it!!!The wife calls it "slumdog"-looks like something a guy from mumbai would ride..oh well im stuck with it- so now that my right leg has rejuvenated I better get out there and see if i can fire it up butits too cold to ride though.. :X
Buck
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You're havin fun by the sounds of it. Post some pics!
The best online DR650 resource is here...
http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/DR650/
The DR expert is Jesse Kientz... very knowledgeable and helpful.
http://www.kientech.com/
Pre 96 info...
http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/DR650/files/Pre96%20DR650/
How to Wheelie
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You're havin fun by the sounds of it. Post some pics!
The best online DR650 resource is here...
http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/DR650/
The DR expert is Jesse Kientz... very knowledgeable and helpful.
http://www.kientech.com/
Pre 96 info...
http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/DR650/files/Pre96%20DR650/
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How to Kick Start a DR 650
Basic technique for cold start:
Key ON
Turn fuel petcock to ON
Pull choke to full on (unless bike is already warm)
Engage the decompression lever and release
DO NOT TOUCH THROTTLE - engine will NOT start or cold idle with an open throttle
kick through slowly untill the decompression lever clicks up
bring the kick start back to the top
Commit to a big kick
Repeat the decomp/kick series until it fires
Let engine run on full choke until engine begins to rev way up at idle
Basic technique for warm start:
Key ON
Turn fuel petcock to ON
Ensure choke is off
Engage the decompression lever and release
You may or may not need throttle - older bike like a little throttle if warm
kick through slowly untill the decompression lever clicks up
bring the kick start back to the top
Commit to a big kick
Repeat the decomp/kick series until it fires
Advanced technique:
Turn fuel petcock to PRI (Prime)
Pull the choke
Ensure kill switch is OFF or Key is OFF
Engage the decompression lever and HOLD IT
Kick it 4 or 5 times
Release the lever
kick through slowly untill the decompression lever clicks up
Switch the kill switch and Key back to RUN
DO NOT TOUCH THROTTLE - engine will NOT start or cold idle with an open throttle
Commit to a big kick
Repeat the decomp/kick series until it fires
Turn fuel petcock to ON
Let engine run on full choke until engine begins to rev way up at idle
Roll down a hill start:
Set the decompresser
full choke
DO NOT TOUCH THROTTLE - engine will NOT start or cold idle with an open throttle
2nd gear
Slowly release the clutch when you have some speed
Coast to stop and let the bike warm upHow to Wheelie
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Get to 20-25MPH in 2nd gear
Dont let off the gas
Quickly pull the clutch in and let it out in one fluid motion
You should only pull in the clutch a little bit and not all the way to the grip
Let off gas to level out or slightly feather rear brake
This is easier with lower gearing, lower tire pressure and bikes with performance upgrades.zokalr13
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thanks for the tips there !!- i just came back from a chilly 30 min cruise after i started it up [it starts way easier with the new plugs] i saw a pile of deer on postill rd they looked STUNNED....:shock:it runs simular to a KLR but more torquey and slightly fasterthough..runs good- im happy- but it does need tires REAL bad and the forks done as well -I FINALLY pulled off those GHAY colored graphics-looks a lot better now....what tire choiceis good fer these DRs??
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thanks for the tips there !!- i just came back from a chilly 30 min cruise after i started it up [it starts way easier with the new plugs] i saw a pile of deer on postill rd they looked STUNNED....:shock:it runs simular to a KLR but more torquey and slightly fasterthough..runs good- im happy- but it does need tires REAL bad and the forks done as well -I FINALLY pulled off those GHAY colored graphics-looks a lot better now....what tire choiceis good fer these DRs??
Buck
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Now you've really started a debate! It depends what type of riding you plan to do.
Mostly off road.... Pirelli MT21, Dunlop D606
Adventure touring.... Continental TKC80
Cheap but good.... Maaxis 6006, Kenda K270, K760 Trackmaster, IRC GP1
Lots of choices out there, lots of opinions.
Check this topic...
http://www.dualsportbc.com/forums/view_forum.php?id=25
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Now you've really started a debate! It depends what type of riding you plan to do.
Mostly off road.... Pirelli MT21, Dunlop D606
Adventure touring.... Continental TKC80
Cheap but good.... Maaxis 6006, Kenda K270, K760 Trackmaster, IRC GP1
Lots of choices out there, lots of opinions.
Check this topic...
http://www.dualsportbc.com/forums/view_forum.php?id=25
zokalr13
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I cant believe how wide-ratio the tranny is on my 93 DR650-its like a 6th speed..and im running 15/42 -the DRZ400 needs a 6th gear and it would be perfect IMO..the extra torque and power is the reason i got a DR650 than a DRZ400-[actually because the price of used DRZs isso frikkenhigh!!:shock:] but i suresee lots of them for sale- why??still need someINFO,man- on tune up tips and set up [jetting, mods] etc.. for the old SUZY...
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I cant believe how wide-ratio the tranny is on my 93 DR650-its like a 6th speed..and im running 15/42 -the DRZ400 needs a 6th gear and it would be perfect IMO..the extra torque and power is the reason i got a DR650 than a DRZ400-[actually because the price of used DRZs isso frikkenhigh!!:shock:] but i suresee lots of them for sale- why??still need someINFO,man- on tune up tips and set up [jetting, mods] etc.. for the old SUZY...
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Ihated my drz when i fist got it soI cut a 3x3 hole in box ,but a yoshimura exhaust on it and installed a james dean jet kit all from thumper talk. now I just love the bike for city driving and dualsporting but for street highway riding its not a good bike so I purchased a v-strom 1000 for that.!!!.drz is an excellent bike with a few mods..:clap:
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Ihated my drz when i fist got it soI cut a 3x3 hole in box ,but a yoshimura exhaust on it and installed a james dean jet kit all from thumper talk. now I just love the bike for city driving and dualsporting but for street highway riding its not a good bike so I purchased a v-strom 1000 for that.!!!.drz is an excellent bike with a few mods..:clap: