Factory Street legal bottom line

bajaman

bajaman

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Not true...I called ICBC in Victoria and told them I have a RUM bike and if I was in an accident if I would be covered....The answer was yes...

If I get pulled over by dot or police and if they are even smart enough to see its a RUM bike...I am screwed and will have to get a legal daulsport...until than I'll keep riding my RUM bike.
 
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C4cycle

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Wow, this thread has gone a little sideways! I appreciate all the info, speculation, anecdotes and personal stories, but i really just want confirmation of which KTM EXC's are factory street legal. I have been looking for one and have come across a lot which are older than '07, and needless to say, the owners are very quick to show their ICBC reg (or what not). I realize that one could surely march on in to ICBC, swap the reg holders name and slap a new plate on, but I'm simply not comfortable being so uncertain about the bike's legal status! Sticking to '07 or newer definitely limits my choices. I will eventually find one, I'm sure, but for some reason, even then I'm not certain of the street legal status.

Lets make this simple: Can anyone tell me where I can find an unequivocal answer to my very specific question? I have asked at my local insurance agent, they called ICBC on my behalf, but I never did find out how I, as a buyer, can confirm a bike's street legal status. They said it must have a Transport Canada sticker of some sort? Sounds a little vague. I would expect the VIN number (as shown on an ICBC reg) should be all one needs to confirm it's status. Can anyone clarify?

Again, I am simply wishing to confirm that '07 and newer KTM EXC's are factory street legal, and if anyone can point me in the right direction in asking this of an official representative of either ICBC or Transport Canada, for a definitive answer, I would be much obliged. After I get the straight dope, I will post my findings right here in this thread.

Cheers,
Clarke
 
Bora20

Bora20

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Ok kids. Time out, get in your corners. This isn't a RUM vs. factory thread.

Here is the answer.

2007 450 EXC
2007 525 EXC

2008-2011 450 EXC
2008-2011 530 EXC

2012-present 350 EXC
2012-present 500 EXC

The Transport Canada decal you seek is on the frame and is in addition to the serial number plate. All other KTM models in this class are not factory street legal.

End of story, soon to be the end of thread if you don't all make nice.
 
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Curse

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Farp Thank you very much for link to previous post as Tom really does sum it all up in the post.. ( Any vehicle originally manufactured as one of these types and subsequently modified then submitted for the purpose of inspection where the compliance label is missing, altered or illegible must also be rejected. ) Perhaps the rules from 2003 or whatever year to 2008 were different and are now grandfather but I have seen nothing to prove this.

You say it's grandfathered and ( maybe ) it is however if I had to go to court and supply some legal defense I have nothing no evidence no paperwork and no sticker from manufacturer showing it's CMVSS compliance label. Case lost and just saying well there's 5000 or 10000 insured with paperwork means nothing.. As I said one really bad case that hits the news and media and cameras get in the faces of people at ICBC asking questions of how they got approved and are still on the road. And yes you may get your insurance till it runs out then they can simply have insurance brokers come out look at bike and ask to see the sticker no inspection further would be needed.

I of course hope this never happens however one side of this argument you have facts and documents and so far nothing I have seen or can take with me to court as defense to argue with. I wont bother to argue back and forth what is legal and not however if you hit me with your RUM bike you (MIGHT) have to pay me a % of your salary the reminder of your working life when I sue both ICBC and you for a non CMVSS approved bike..






To All Designated Inspection Facilities and Authorized Inspectors

Re: Motorcycle Inspections

Commercial Vehicle Safety & Enforcement is aware of provincial vehicle inspections being conducted on manufactured Restricted Use Motorcycles (RUM). These vehicles are identified as vehicle type ‘RUM’ on the Canadian Motor Vehicle Safety Standards (CMVSS) compliance label. These vehicles are manufactured and intended STRICTLY FOR OFF HIGHWAY USE and do not meet applicable standards for operation as highway vehicles.

The BC Vehicle Inspection Manual criterion for the inspection of Motorcycles is only applicable to on highway use vehicles. This criterion does not apply to a vehicle type RUM, all-terrain, three wheeled (TWV), or competition regardless of any component changes, additions or modifications. These vehicle types are not acceptable for inspection. Any vehicle originally manufactured as one of these types and subsequently modified then submitted for the purpose of inspection where the compliance label is missing, altered or illegible must also be rejected.

A compliantly manufactured motorcycle will display a vehicle type ‘MC’ (motorcycle), ‘TRI’ (motor tricycle), ‘LSM’ (limited speed motorcycle) or ‘EMC’ (enclosed motorcycle) on the CMVSS label with an indication that it is intended for highway use. These manufactured vehicles are acceptable for inspection and must meet all applicable standards prior to the issuance of a certificate of approval decal.
 
McNutt

McNutt

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Bora20 said:
Ok kids. Time out, get in your corners. This isn't a RUM vs. factory thread.

Here is the answer.

2007 525 EXC

2008-2011 450 EXC
2008-2011 530 EXC

2012-present 350 EXC
2012-present 500 EXC

The Transport Canada decal you seek is on the frame and is in addition to the serial number plate. All other KTM models in this class are not factory street legal.

End of story, soon to be the end of thread if you don't all make nice.
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You are missing the 07 450 exc
 
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C4cycle

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Bora20 said:
Ok kids. Time out, get in your corners. This isn't a RUM vs. factory thread.

Here is the answer.

2007 450 EXC
2007 525 EXC

2008-2011 450 EXC
2008-2011 530 EXC

2012-present 350 EXC
2012-present 500 EXC

The Transport Canada decal you seek is on the frame and is in addition to the serial number plate. All other KTM models in this class are not factory street legal.

End of story, soon to be the end of thread if you don't all make nice.
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Brilliant! Thank you, give this man a maple bacon doughnut. Much appreciated.

One more question: If the Transport decal is missing, and it had no ICBC reg, would it then require a full inspection? If it is, say, desmogged or what not, could that be a problem for re-inspection? Or is it simply the correct reg and standard road going items that need be in place (i.e. signals, lights, horn, mirrors, etc)? Thanks again! Maybe it will take me so long to find an older street-able EXC that I'll have saved up for a 500 by then.
 
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cactusreid

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My thoughts are that if and when you find any of the above exc's, they will almost certainly have been already plated,so it's just a paperwork transfer at your local autoplan office.
 
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C4cycle

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cactusreid said:
My thoughts are that if and when you find any of the above exc's, they will almost certainly have been already plated,so it's just a paperwork transfer at your local autoplan office.
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Likely so. Thanks to everyone.

The more I have looked into it, the more the list narrows. As the last year for the RFS engine, 2007 is the one. Makes sense as all issues are fixed in the last MY for that engine. XC4 engines starting in '08 seem to potentially have issues (oil burning due inadequate rings, some seals, separate oil sumps, etc.). Either I find an '07 (people seem to love the RFS) or wait til I can afford a 500.

Again, thanks for the clarification all.
 
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McNutt

McNutt

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C4cycle said:
Likely so. Thanks to everyone.

The more I have looked into it, the more the list narrows. As the last year for the RFS engine, 2007 is the one. Makes sense as all issues are fixed in the last MY for that engine. XC4 engines starting in '08 seem to potentially have issues (oil burning due inadequate rings, some seals, separate oil sumps, etc.). Either I find an '07 (people seem to love the RFS) or wait til I can afford a 500.

Again, thanks for the clarification all.
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That was my thinking a couple years ago when I bought my 07 450 exc.
I've hardly ridden it in the last year since I bought a trials bike though.
Might sell it but not sure yet. Might keep it a put on a 540. I think there is a 525 on the west coast of the island for sale. Good luck.
 
Bora20

Bora20

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The 2009 450 and 530 are reliable. Some of the 2008s had issues. 265 hours on my 530 and no oil issues.
 
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C4cycle

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Bora20 said:
The 2009 450 and 530 are reliable. Some of the 2008s had issues. 265 hours on my 530 and no oil issues.
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Thanks for that, I appreciate it. Broadens the possibility of getting a decent one. Ultimately, the XC4 is a winner, but had to evolve.
 
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cactusreid

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that bike does not look like bush only to me. at least not my kind of bush? and where is all the lights etc? check that one out throughly to confirm if it is truly an 07 exc. The 07 is the only year of the rfs that has a external clutch acesss cover that unbolts from the main case to access the clutch. Easy way to confirm the year of the bike/engine.I have ridden all the rfs series, the 400 which only came to canada as a xcw(not street legal) the 450 and the 525 and also a shift on a 570 big bore. 525 is my favourite,the 400 2nd and the 450 my least as it has a herky jerky type of power delivery. most people agree and convert them to 525's with a jug and piston.
 
McNutt

McNutt

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Is there anyone in BC that works on RFS top ends.

Looking for an alternative to paying the exchange and having it done in the US.
 
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cactusreid

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are you looking for head/valve work or piston and ring stuff or both? phone or email djh ( dave hopkins) from ktm talk ( he is in oregon i think) about valves and head work and rob at valley speed here in kamloops is very good and thorough with ktm motors as well.
 
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