Help settle a friendly argument....

TW_rider

Member
My buddy says that if you're only going to carry ONE spare inner tube, it should be for the LARGEST tire...I say it should be for the smaller tire, because it could be stretched whereas the larger one would get pinched...

Yeah, I know you should carry two, but if worse comes to worse...
 

klrroo

Member
I was schooled to carry the largest tube, that way it fits into the smaller rim or larger. If in the smaller just don't air it right up, just enough to save the rim.
just my .02
 

Farp

Active member
I've never carried a spare tube and I don't see the need for one. I've patched many tubes on the trail and never had a problem with a patch failing. When I worked in my dad's gas station in the '50s I patched car tubes every day and some of those tubes had already been patched many times before. I knew some of those patches were several years old and still going strong. I never saw a patch that had been properly applied fail. Patches work well and they're so easy to apply I don't know why anyone would consider carrying a tube around with them. You don't even need to take the wheel off the bike to apply one. Just locate the puncture, pry the tire over the rim on one side for about 1/2 the circumference and try to get the puncture as close to the middle as you can. Then simply pull the tube out between the tire and the rim, apply your patch, stuff the tube back inside the tire, spoon it back on the rim, pump it up and you're good to go. The whole process takes about 20 minutes. I've done this many times and never had a problem. The only time you'd ever need a tube is if you're not using rim locks and manage to rip the valve stem off the tube. I've heard of this happening but I've never seen it so I suspect it's a fairly rare occurrence.

John
 

skidmark43

Administrator / BFF in the blue jacket
Farp is my hero; but I must disagree.
Having seen firsthand the damage done by spikes & the like (tears vs punctures), as well as torn valve stems & unpatchable 'slimed' tubes, I always carry a spare 21" tube.
YMMV
 

tomcycle

Past President DSBC 2004 -2018
Staff member
When I carry a spare tube (which is rare because I dont get flats) its a front tube. Folds in tubes are dangerous at any speed, you will get wear on the fold and end up with a blow out. How do I know this? lets just say experience, my own. I carry a tube so I can have the flat tired repaired in quick time, I or someone else will repair the tube right away or wait till later. I too also have plenty of experience with non repairable tubes, generally someone else's and mostly slimmed, they should make a slime repair kit, then you could have the best of both worlds.

If you dont want to carry repair tools and patch kits, do yourself a favor and install a rim lock. I have ridden several times over 50 kms to a place to repair my flat. It may cost a tube, but who cares if you can get out to a safe location.
 

Mad Max

New member
When I carry a spare tube (which is rare because I dont get flats)

Tom,

Who was that guy on the Husky at Routledge last year changing a flat after XR Mike had taken my spare tube:confused:. Guess I was hallucinating in the heat eh.:Stir
 

scottbc

Member
John,

I just got back from a nice 1800K desert cruse with 5 riding buddies. We had only two flats the whole trip, both rears, both tore out the valve stem. One of the bikes did have a rim lock, one did not. I'm glad we had spare tubes as both were destroyed. I should ride with you, maybe your good luck will rub off. I like your patching style though, sounds fast and effective.

Scott
 

Farp

Active member
John,

I just got back from a nice 1800K desert cruse with 5 riding buddies. We had only two flats the whole trip, both rears, both tore out the valve stem. One of the bikes did have a rim lock, one did not. I'm glad we had spare tubes as both were destroyed. I should ride with you, maybe your good luck will rub off. I like your patching style though, sounds fast and effective.

Scott

Scott,

In all my years of riding I've only had one flat that I can remember, there might have been another one but certainly no more than that. I think you're right about it being good luck, because it certainly is, but also there are techniques you can use to minimize the probability of getting a flat.

One thing I habitually do if I'm approaching a section that looks like it might cause a pinch flat is to jump up off the pegs just as I hit the section, and simultaneously give it some gas. This will lift your front wheel over the rough spot and reduce the weight on the rear wheel.

Another thing you can do is to check your rim-locks to make sure they are good and tight. It's my belief that if the rim locks are tightened properly the tire should not spin on the rim. Of course if you lose your tire pressure and don't realize it in time, full throttle acceleration will probably cause the tire to slip.

You should also pay attention to the valve stem to make sure it's sticking straight out of the rim. If you notice that the stem is protruding at an angle it means your tire has crept around the rim a little bit and is threatening to rip the stem off. This can usually be fixed by simply letting the air out of the tire, tightening the stem nut against the rim, and then re-filling the tube, don't forget to back the stem nut off against the valve cap when you're done. Failure to pay attention to this can result in the stem being ripped out, but it usually takes quite a bit of time for this to happen, usually several rides or more. My suspicion is that a lot of valve stem failures result from riders not paying attention to this.

And finally avoid fire pits like the plague because they are always full of nails.

My patching style was taught to me by an old riding buddy who was a member of the Canadian ISDT team back in the late 60's. He used to say if you couldn't fix a flat in 5 minutes you weren't competitive in the ISDT. I never reached that degree of proficiency but it's by far the fastest, easiest way I know of to fix a flat. Of course the ISDT riders in those days carried straight tubes with them. These were simply a long, straight, rubber tube closed at both ends that you wrapped around the rim, so fixing a flat was simply a matter of prying the tire over the rim, pulling the old tube out and replacing it with the new one, re-setting the tire on the rim, adding some air and you're good to go. There was never any need to take the wheel off the bike. And one tube was good for either wheel. I don't know if those straight tubes are still available but if they are and you insist on carrying a tube with you then that would be my choice of what to take.

Hope this was helpful.

John
 

Sparkle

New member
I spent many years riding to the trail and then "airing down" and sometimes ending up with torn tubes and abrasion flats and even
once a bent rim...I used to attribute this to just bad luck and maybe it was. But my bad luck got a little better when I started running
higher tire pressure.

As far as carrying an extra tube is concerned, I used to carry one, and even used one once but the last one rotted away under
my seat years ago without being used. Since then I've had the odd nail puncture, but I've been able to patch them with the ISDT
method, and now I carry just a fresh bicycle patch kit and a small bicycle pump.

http://www.dualsportbc.com/forums/showthread.php?5149-Tube-tire-ISDT-trick&highlight=isdt

Sparkle
 
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Ti welder

New member
Just replaced my rear patched and leaking rear tube. the hole was big enough to make a air bubble in the patch. Small leak after 500 or so km of hi speed. The repatched rear becomes the second of a set of front and rear tubes I plan to carry on the long weekend.

Shure would like to find a couple of these ' sausage ' type tubes John is talking about.
 
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scottbc

Member
John,

Very informitive post. I may be lucky as well, I have had only one flat in my rideing carreer that I recall. I do most of what you do to prevent flats but I also usually carry a tube. When I change tires I generally change the tube, not always but usually. That tube becomes a spare. It's funny but those spare tubes seem to pay for themselves. I have replaced quite a few tubes trailside for people who had niether tube nor patch and gotten beer in return back at camp.

Scott
 

retro ed

New member
i doubt that a front tube put in the rear tire on my bike would ever come close to seating the bead(s). but if it is just to get a few miles.....that said, best to carry 2 tubes. but really, is a few miles on a botched repair going to get you out of trouble (after spending an hour or more 'repairing' your flat) and back to your garage? and what if you are on a LONG journey, you would want your effort to 'repair' the flat to last days or wks of riding...so i am against re-doing work.
aCtually, what i do is carry a spare rear tube and patch kit. chances are your rear tire will be the one that gets more damaged in a puncture situation, and the front is far more fun to change, so if a patch didnt hold a re-repair is easier for the front...but no reason a patch shouldnt work if the damage is slight.
i should try to find one of those little packs that you attach to the rear fender/rack that could be used just for tubes...any brands you cats know of? then the tubes will always be with you....

mmm...young Jedi...may your tubes always be with you
 
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