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KTM 1190 Air Filter Discussion
- Thread starter joker650
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Joker check out the Rottweiler intake and filter, Just installed one my 990R with their snap out for the glove box, It makes getting to the down the filter a 20 second deal,with the tanks on.
Here is the link for Rottweiller Performance
http://www.cprfabrications.com/Store.html
Nice solutions for your KTM street version air filter. Im sure the 1190 solution is on its way
Even KTM doesn't always get it right all the time, and thats where the aftermarket products come in
TT
http://www.cprfabrications.com/Store.html
Nice solutions for your KTM street version air filter. Im sure the 1190 solution is on its way
Even KTM doesn't always get it right all the time, and thats where the aftermarket products come in
TT
KTM-Bryon
Member
I found the paper filter on my 690 passed a lot of dust. I put in a DNA oiled filter and problem solved. I always grease the sealing area and put a dab of grease inside to indicate if I am getting dust passing the filter.
I also forgot to hook up a hose to the air box and ran a lot of dust into the engine for a few weeks. The motor still runs fine however. I think the guys with the 1190's expecting days and days of riding and 1000's of kms without maintaining their filters were a bit unprepared. I wouldn't think its KTM fault but looking after a few guys would be good PR. Also put a note in the owners manual about dusty riding conditions and maintenance interval changes.
I also forgot to hook up a hose to the air box and ran a lot of dust into the engine for a few weeks. The motor still runs fine however. I think the guys with the 1190's expecting days and days of riding and 1000's of kms without maintaining their filters were a bit unprepared. I wouldn't think its KTM fault but looking after a few guys would be good PR. Also put a note in the owners manual about dusty riding conditions and maintenance interval changes.
Induction contaminants.
In the KTM 690 Service manual pg. 129 it states very clearly the result of contaminants entering the induction system. I often have engines apart on the work bench with large scores in pistons and cylinder walls of bikes that ran "just fine" . I then educate customers of the ramifications of poor air filter maintenance and extended service intervals.
How to draft this message without being opinionated and condescending is rather difficult and I am only posting this too alert owners of any type of motorcycle that you will reduce the service life of your engine if contaminants enter the engine through the air box by passing filtration period.
The primary reason I rebuild motorcycle engines is poor air filter sealing and lack of valve train maintenance. I have seen many BMW air filters installed incorrectly and I have found it challenging sometimes to ensure GSA air filters have been correctly installed.
I have not dealt with the KTM issue and cannot comment on the condition. There are severe service regimes detailed in almost all owners manuals and if not stated in a separate maintenance schedule you will always see the caveat " service more frequently in dusty, wet, muddy conditions or operating at extended high speeds" this comes right from a Kawasaki manual.
I really wish my editor was here to assist me in not being too abrasive with my commentary.
JT
In the KTM 690 Service manual pg. 129 it states very clearly the result of contaminants entering the induction system. I often have engines apart on the work bench with large scores in pistons and cylinder walls of bikes that ran "just fine" . I then educate customers of the ramifications of poor air filter maintenance and extended service intervals.
How to draft this message without being opinionated and condescending is rather difficult and I am only posting this too alert owners of any type of motorcycle that you will reduce the service life of your engine if contaminants enter the engine through the air box by passing filtration period.
The primary reason I rebuild motorcycle engines is poor air filter sealing and lack of valve train maintenance. I have seen many BMW air filters installed incorrectly and I have found it challenging sometimes to ensure GSA air filters have been correctly installed.
I have not dealt with the KTM issue and cannot comment on the condition. There are severe service regimes detailed in almost all owners manuals and if not stated in a separate maintenance schedule you will always see the caveat " service more frequently in dusty, wet, muddy conditions or operating at extended high speeds" this comes right from a Kawasaki manual.
I really wish my editor was here to assist me in not being too abrasive with my commentary.
JT
DirtClunker
Active member
You said it just fine. Here is what I glean from your post: Check and clean your air filter often. Make sure its properly sealed. Check your valves too.
I would add: change the oil and filter according to manufacturers recommendation for the type of riding you do (e.g. dusty conditions == change more often)
Sounds like good sense to me.
Whats gets me is that these precautions are cheap and easy, yet people ignore them. I am surprised at the number of people who say: "Change the oil and filter every 15hrs on my EXC? I dont need to it that often, I do it every 30hrs". WTF?!?! To save $15 now and pay $1000s later? Doesn't make much sense to me.
I would add: change the oil and filter according to manufacturers recommendation for the type of riding you do (e.g. dusty conditions == change more often)
Sounds like good sense to me.
Whats gets me is that these precautions are cheap and easy, yet people ignore them. I am surprised at the number of people who say: "Change the oil and filter every 15hrs on my EXC? I dont need to it that often, I do it every 30hrs". WTF?!?! To save $15 now and pay $1000s later? Doesn't make much sense to me.
joker650
Active member
Yes I have seen those filter systems, but I'm not a fan.
I don't like the intake noise and like the sealed stock air box on my 950.
The only place anything can get in the air box is from an intake tube close to the same height as the top triple clamp center nut.
And I hate cleaning foam filters, the DNA is really easy to clean:tup:
Yes your right about more intake noise,but along with that comes more power( easier to get into trouble that way
and for me I can get down to the filter in seconds as opposed to an hour getting the tanks,glove box,air box ect. And for added protection and ease of cleaning when I go off-road I install the prefilter sock over my regular filter.
:clap:
joker650
Active member
Looks like KTM has stepped up:clap:
This from ADV rider:
POST #127.
http://advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=906504&page=9
This from ADV rider:
I finally have my bike back after the engine / air box failure.
The air intakes and butterflies were crusted with dirt on the old engine, and after seeing the state it was in a repair would have been a real risk. Anyway, after a dodgy start to my dealings with KTM and some harsh words at the lack of progress after a week, KTM came to the party and replaced the engine and the 2014 model airbox, and fairly quickly during a difficult time of year. I asked (demanded....) it back by Christmas and KTM and my dealer delivered.
Thank you KTM, but please sack whomever you had in charge of quality control on the 1190 development. The air filtering system is fubar on the 2013s for anyone doing any sort of dusty dirt. I'm still cheesed off over the whole thing but a few days back on the bike have eased the pain.
Special thanks to Dale at Top Gear Motorcycles who came in to work on his days off over the Christmas period especially to get my bike ready and also to do the 1000km service today. First class old fashioned service from a guy who really takes pride in his work. A legend.
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POST #127.
http://advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=906504&page=9