Mitas E-09 Dakar or Dualsport?

[Buckethead]

I am thinking of trying the Mitas E-09 as the next rear on my DRZ. Which is the preferred model, the Dualsport or the Dakar?
Thanks,
Matthew

 

[PistolPete]

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Matthew..

I have had both. The tires have identical tread patterns, but the Dakar has a stiffer sidewall and have worn slower than the regular E-09. In my opinion it is worth the extra $10 or $20 for the Dakar version. I had a slow leak with the Dakar the last time we went up to Squamish...remember...the tire held the bead even down to 6 lbs.

 

[Buckethead]

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Thanks for the first hand info Pete.
Cheers,
Matthew

 

[franhoser]

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These guy's carry them if you haven't seen:

http://www.gnarlyparts.ca/product_info.php?cPath=5978_2051_2052_2053&products_id=30128

 

[old trials guy]

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Buckethead wrote:

I am thinking of trying the Mitas E-09 as the next rear on my DRZ. Which is the preferred model, the Dualsport or the Dakar?
Thanks,
Matthew

I prefer the softer sidewall version for off road use and I believe it is a little lighter keeping the all important unsprung weight down. I have about 2000 km on one and it looks like it should be good for about another 1000 km. Hooked up well at the Fall Noobie ride on the AA loop.

otg

 

[North]

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I too have the softer one on my 610. It has worn very well, I will get 3,000 km out of it no problem.

I got it at 5th gear.

 

[Buckethead]

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Sounds like I won't lose either way. Maybe I will try both.

Thanks for the info guys.

Cheers,
Matthew

 

[Buckethead]

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old trials guy wrote:

Buckethead wrote:

I am thinking of trying the Mitas E-09 as the next rear on my DRZ. Which is the preferred model, the Dualsport or the Dakar?
Thanks,
Matthew

I prefer the softer sidewall version for off road use and I believe it is a little lighter keeping the all important unsprung weight down.  I have about 2000 km on one and it looks like it should be good for about another 1000 km.  Hooked up well at the Fall Noobie ride on the AA loop.

otg

Here's another question for you all while we are on the topic: Gauging tire model mileage is not always easy as different riders have different standards for what is "worn out". How do you determine when your tire needs to be changed?

Cheers,
Matthew

 

[PistolPete]

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Buckethead wrote:

Here's another question for you all while we are on the topic: Gauging tire model mileage is not always easy as different riders have different standards for what is "worn out". How do you determine when your tire needs to be changed?

Cheers,
Matthew

I say it's time to change tires when I can't make it where Pat and Mark go:mb:....then it becomesa valid excuse for my lack of ability.

 

[Buckethead]

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PistolPete wrote:

Buckethead wrote:

Here's another question for you all while we are on the topic: Gauging tire model mileage is not always easy as different riders have different standards for what is "worn out". How do you determine when your tire needs to be changed?

Cheers,
Matthew

 

I say it's time to change tires when I can't make it where Pat and Mark go:mb:....then it becomes a valid excuse for my lack of ability.

I guess I need new tires too...

 

[Island Hopper]

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Normally I would of changed out this last set a little sooner but seems as were in a depression/recession I decided to run my tires longer and closer to the TWI wear limits marked on the tires....

Not much centre tread left but still a ways from the marks....

Lots of sidewall tread left on the rear and still griped OK in the mud because of that.....

The front came with a fairly shallow tread to begin with and now those little nobs are rounded... Not a great front when compared to the C-17, MT 21 or the TKC 80....
I ran these for over 7000 KM, love the back Mitas and couldn't wait to get rid of the front....

 

[Buckethead]

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Thanks Island Hopper. I ended up running TKCs on my old KLR and liked them, but I am very happy with the MT21 front on my DRZ. I think I will be sticking with it for now. The MT21 rear has been good offroad, but I am hoping for a bit more mileage on the slab.

7000kms is pretty good. Is that the Dakar or Dualsport E09?

Cheers,
Matthew

 

[North]

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Hey, you would figure that DOT tires would have Wear Bars.

 

[franhoser]

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I'd wondered myself too on when to change tire out. Suzuki say's when you are below 4mm tread in the middle on the deathwings but those are more street tires and wear differently then knobies.

 

[Buckethead]

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franhoser wrote:

I'd wondered myself too on when to change tire out.  Suzuki say's when you are below 4mm tread in the middle on the deathwings but those are more street tires and wear differently then knobies. 

Continental says 2mm minimum tread depth, but then again, they also say not to fix a flat by replacing the tube - for safety reasons the whole tire must be replaced. Hmmmm.

http://tinyurl.com/Conti-Tech-Manual (Pg 170)

 

[old trials guy]

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franhoser wrote:

I'd wondered myself too on when to change tire out. Suzuki say's when you are below 4mm tread in the middle on the deathwings but those are more street tires and wear differently then knobies.

With knobby tires (and I include most dual sport tires)most of the traction is created by the leading edge of the knobs. The sharper the leading edge the better they hook up. That's why pro motocrossers have fresh tires for every moto. For those of us without tire sponsors it becomes the compromise between pocketbook and traction. I like the way the E09 wears as it seems to retain a decent leading edge even after a couple thousand kilometers.

The other ingredient is rubber compound. If they are too hard they just don't flex enough to hook up and are often skittish on pavement. There is nothing sweeter than fresh tires.

otg

 

[North]

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old trials guy wrote:

franhoser wrote:

I'd wondered myself too on when to change tire out. Suzuki say's when you are below 4mm tread in the middle on the deathwings but those are more street tires and wear differently then knobies.

With knobby tires (and I include most dual sport tires)most of the traction is created by the leading edge of the knobs. The sharper the leading edge the better they hook up. That's why pro motocrossers have fresh tires for every moto. For those of us without tire sponsors it becomes the compromise between pocketbook and traction. I like the way the E09 wears as it seems to retain a decent leading edge even after a couple thousand kilometers.

The other ingredient is rubber compound. If they are too hard they just don't flex enough to hook up and are often skittish on pavement. There is nothing sweeter than fresh tires.

otg

That is very true, they do have a good leading edge after 2,000 to 3,000 km. More so then my Dunlop 606 that has a lot less km, which I really like.

Dollar for dollar you can't beat the E09.:tup:

 

[Buckethead]

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North wrote:

old trials guy wrote:

franhoser wrote:

I'd wondered myself too on when to change tire out.  Suzuki say's when you are below 4mm tread in the middle on the deathwings but those are more street tires and wear differently then knobies. 

With knobby tires (and I include most dual sport tires) most of the traction is created by the leading edge of the knobs.  The sharper the leading edge the better they hook up.  That's why pro motocrossers have fresh tires for every moto.  For those of us without tire sponsors it becomes the compromise between pocketbook and traction.   I like the way the E09 wears as it seems to retain a decent leading edge even after a couple thousand kilometers.

The other ingredient is rubber compound.  If they are too hard they just don't flex enough to hook up and are often skittish on pavement.  There is nothing sweeter than fresh tires.

otg

That is very true, they do have a good leading edge after 2,000 to 3,000 km. More so then my Dunlop 606 that has a lot less km, which I really like.

Dollar for dollar you can't beat the E09.:tup:

The E09 seems to have a good following and be a good overall local dualsport compromise. I'm looking forward to giving them a try.

I spoke to the guys at Western today about buying a few though, and he said they couldn't get them for me and wouldn't be carrying them anymore because nobody buys them. Hmmmmmm.

Sounds like 5th Gear or Gnarlyparts are the local suppliers.

 

[PistolPete]

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Matthew...

They had some in stock on the weekend. Not the Dakar version, but the regular dualsport E-09. Hmmm.....I would call back and talk directly to Roland. Tell him about the thread and the interest in the tire.I have personally bought 4 of the E-09's over the past 2 years. I have a hard time believing that there isn't enough interest in them. Even if they do not want to stock them they will still make money on them if they order them in for you.

PM me your phone number. If I have time I will go there tomorrow after work and see if there are still a couple on the shelf. If they have them I can grab them for you and we can square up later!

 

[franhoser]

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i called today and they told me the had some of the 18". I was mearly calling to see the prices on them. Might try them next year. I can't remember but I think he said he only had 110/80/18 which didn't make sense cause mitas dosen't show that size on their website. Regardless he had something in 18" and price was $51.