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hightoweratwork
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Here is a link for the local Paper in Maple Ridge:
http://www2.canada.com/mapleridgetimes/news/story.html?id=6f3a7f17-3f37-4301-a9c2-93f53644225b
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Support high for off-road rules
Amy Steele, The TimesPublished:Friday, October 09, 2009
The District of Maple Ridge and local environmentalists are hopeful proposed new regulations for off-road vehicle users will help protect Blue Mountain from further abuse.
The provincial government hasn't introduced any regulations yet but Kevin Kreuger, Minister of Tourism, Culture and the Arts, told the Vancouver Sun that the government is considering mandatory registration and display of "highly visible" plates, as well as education and training for new riders and a requirement for people to wear helmets when riding on public land.
Mike Gildersleeve, a member of the Blue Mountain Kanaka Creek Conservation Group, is concerned about off-road vehicle use impacting the headwaters of Kanaka and Catherine creeks as well as endangered species such as coastal and red-legged frogs.
Blue Mountain extends from 264 Street east to Mission and from the northern point of Alouette Lake south to Dewdney Trunk Road.
"We're trying to establish some no-go areas, thinking let's err on the side of caution because the trails, we can see how they're really out of control," said Gildersleeve. "The trails aren't really working that well in terms of the environmental impact."
Gildersleeve is worried about increased sedimentation in watercourses due to off-road vehicles tearing through and disturbance of riparian areas.
"There's all kinds of streams and creeks in that area so the uncontrolled use of motorized vehicles whether it's the quads or motorbikes can have a big impact. We've seen it. They do," said Gildersleeve.
Gildersleeve doesn't believe new regulations would resolve the issue unless there was also provincial staff committed to enforcement.
"You need to have the ability to monitor that and there doesn't seem to be the available resources to provide the enforcement or to monitor," said Gildersleeve.
Jon Mutiger, who is a member of the Blue Mountain Motorcycle Club, supports the proposed regulations.
"I think it's pretty important you get something in place because right now B.C. is the only place in North America that doesn't have regulations (for off-road vehicles)," he said. "It's really wild west."
Mutiger said there are currently a lot of "rednecks or yahoos" who are "out for a thrill," don't wear helmets and "share a bike between a few drunk people."
He likes the idea of people being able to report a specific licence plate so that all off-road vehicle users aren't tarred by the actions of a few.
Mutiger said education and training would be good because right now a 13-year-old boy can drive something with major horsepower at high speed. He suspects he's in the minority for off-road vehicle users that would welcome new regulations.
He doesn't believe all off-road vehicle users should get the bad rap they do and points to work the British Columbia Off-Road Motorcycle Association (BCORMA) has done in Blue Mountain. He said BCORMA got funding to do a hydrological study that looked at impact on watercourses and they have gotten rid of trails that were too close to watercourses.
BCORMA has put up about 10 kilometres of wooden bridges to prevent damage to watercourses, he added.
"We're trying to do it right and we're all volunteers," he said, adding he knows there are groups that don't like off-road vehicle users and they try to address their concerns.
"We're not violators of the mountain but there are violators of the mountain."
Mike Murray, general manager of community development and parks and recreation for the District of Maple Ridge, agrees with Gildersleeve that there's been "a number of years of no management" on Blue Mountain.
"The Blue Mountain area has hundreds of trails people have established in a rather haphazard fashion," said Murray. "We're concerned about any environmental damage done by trails put through sensitive areas. We're also concerned about safety. There certainly have been some serious accidents up there."
Murray said the fact that the government is looking at new regulations is "very positive."
Murray is also pleased that there's currently an environmental assessment of the trail network on Blue Mountain being done.
Mike Peters, recreation officer with the Ministry of Tourism, Culture and Arts, which oversees recreation sites on Crown land, explained that the study is being done on behalf of the British Columbia Off-Road Motorcycle Association (BCORMA) because the group got funding from the federal government.
"It's quite an in-depth study that's being done," said Peters.
A forest technologist has been hired to do the work.
Peters credits BCORMA for "using their funds to make sure the environment is being protected and their trail network is sound."
Peters explained that in the 1980s the provincial government set aside 2,500 hectares of land on Blue Mountain for a recreation site that was largely used by snowmobiles.
It's now a multi-use area.
Peters is now reviewing "the future" of that recreation site.
"We're trying to look at the bigger picture. There is a track of land up there. What is the future for it and how do we manage recreation?"
However, Peters said there are also numerous trails on Blue Mountain outside the recreation site.
He said some of the trails were built 30 years ago and aren't properly built. Peters said after the government reviews the trail network it might be necessary to move some of the trails.
"It's a very complicated mountain," said Peters. "It just goes on and on, all of the complicated layers and it's going to take us a while to really figure out how the user groups can interact properly together and protect the environment."
ATVers, dirt bikers, equestrian users, hikers and snowmobilers all use the mountain. There are also woodlots on it and both the Kwantlen and Katzie claim it as traditional territory and it could feature in their land claims settlements.
Peters concedes that management of recreation on Crown land hasn't been strong over the years because there haven't been enough resources. It used to be the responsibility of the Ministry of Forests and Range but their mandate was largely to manage the forest resources not recreation, said Peters.
He said there have been about 1,000 kilometres of trails built without any legal authority in the Chilliwack district, which includes Maple Ridge.
"This Crown land recreation has been going on for a lot of years without a management body specifically mandated to deal with it," said Peters.
Peters said he's currently working with other ministries to try and deal with recreational use on Crown land. He has mapping information of existing trails and watercourses but what he doesn't have is mapping information about species at risk.
"We know they're there but we don't know where. We've never mapped them," said Peters. "That's information we're hoping to get eventually. That will go a long way to deciding what may or may not take place in those areas."
He said ultimately it won't be the provincial government that dictates land use on Blue Mountain. Decisions will be made after consultation with stakeholder groups.
Shane
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Here is a link for the local Paper in Maple Ridge:
http://www2.canada.com/mapleridgetimes/news/story.html?id=6f3a7f17-3f37-4301-a9c2-93f53644225b
Copied from the link above and printed without permission
Support high for off-road rules
Amy Steele, The TimesPublished:Friday, October 09, 2009
The District of Maple Ridge and local environmentalists are hopeful proposed new regulations for off-road vehicle users will help protect Blue Mountain from further abuse.
The provincial government hasn't introduced any regulations yet but Kevin Kreuger, Minister of Tourism, Culture and the Arts, told the Vancouver Sun that the government is considering mandatory registration and display of "highly visible" plates, as well as education and training for new riders and a requirement for people to wear helmets when riding on public land.
Mike Gildersleeve, a member of the Blue Mountain Kanaka Creek Conservation Group, is concerned about off-road vehicle use impacting the headwaters of Kanaka and Catherine creeks as well as endangered species such as coastal and red-legged frogs.
Blue Mountain extends from 264 Street east to Mission and from the northern point of Alouette Lake south to Dewdney Trunk Road.
"We're trying to establish some no-go areas, thinking let's err on the side of caution because the trails, we can see how they're really out of control," said Gildersleeve. "The trails aren't really working that well in terms of the environmental impact."
Gildersleeve is worried about increased sedimentation in watercourses due to off-road vehicles tearing through and disturbance of riparian areas.
"There's all kinds of streams and creeks in that area so the uncontrolled use of motorized vehicles whether it's the quads or motorbikes can have a big impact. We've seen it. They do," said Gildersleeve.
Gildersleeve doesn't believe new regulations would resolve the issue unless there was also provincial staff committed to enforcement.
"You need to have the ability to monitor that and there doesn't seem to be the available resources to provide the enforcement or to monitor," said Gildersleeve.
Jon Mutiger, who is a member of the Blue Mountain Motorcycle Club, supports the proposed regulations.
"I think it's pretty important you get something in place because right now B.C. is the only place in North America that doesn't have regulations (for off-road vehicles)," he said. "It's really wild west."
Mutiger said there are currently a lot of "rednecks or yahoos" who are "out for a thrill," don't wear helmets and "share a bike between a few drunk people."
He likes the idea of people being able to report a specific licence plate so that all off-road vehicle users aren't tarred by the actions of a few.
Mutiger said education and training would be good because right now a 13-year-old boy can drive something with major horsepower at high speed. He suspects he's in the minority for off-road vehicle users that would welcome new regulations.
He doesn't believe all off-road vehicle users should get the bad rap they do and points to work the British Columbia Off-Road Motorcycle Association (BCORMA) has done in Blue Mountain. He said BCORMA got funding to do a hydrological study that looked at impact on watercourses and they have gotten rid of trails that were too close to watercourses.
BCORMA has put up about 10 kilometres of wooden bridges to prevent damage to watercourses, he added.
"We're trying to do it right and we're all volunteers," he said, adding he knows there are groups that don't like off-road vehicle users and they try to address their concerns.
"We're not violators of the mountain but there are violators of the mountain."
Mike Murray, general manager of community development and parks and recreation for the District of Maple Ridge, agrees with Gildersleeve that there's been "a number of years of no management" on Blue Mountain.
"The Blue Mountain area has hundreds of trails people have established in a rather haphazard fashion," said Murray. "We're concerned about any environmental damage done by trails put through sensitive areas. We're also concerned about safety. There certainly have been some serious accidents up there."
Murray said the fact that the government is looking at new regulations is "very positive."
Murray is also pleased that there's currently an environmental assessment of the trail network on Blue Mountain being done.
Mike Peters, recreation officer with the Ministry of Tourism, Culture and Arts, which oversees recreation sites on Crown land, explained that the study is being done on behalf of the British Columbia Off-Road Motorcycle Association (BCORMA) because the group got funding from the federal government.
"It's quite an in-depth study that's being done," said Peters.
A forest technologist has been hired to do the work.
Peters credits BCORMA for "using their funds to make sure the environment is being protected and their trail network is sound."
Peters explained that in the 1980s the provincial government set aside 2,500 hectares of land on Blue Mountain for a recreation site that was largely used by snowmobiles.
It's now a multi-use area.
Peters is now reviewing "the future" of that recreation site.
"We're trying to look at the bigger picture. There is a track of land up there. What is the future for it and how do we manage recreation?"
However, Peters said there are also numerous trails on Blue Mountain outside the recreation site.
He said some of the trails were built 30 years ago and aren't properly built. Peters said after the government reviews the trail network it might be necessary to move some of the trails.
"It's a very complicated mountain," said Peters. "It just goes on and on, all of the complicated layers and it's going to take us a while to really figure out how the user groups can interact properly together and protect the environment."
ATVers, dirt bikers, equestrian users, hikers and snowmobilers all use the mountain. There are also woodlots on it and both the Kwantlen and Katzie claim it as traditional territory and it could feature in their land claims settlements.
Peters concedes that management of recreation on Crown land hasn't been strong over the years because there haven't been enough resources. It used to be the responsibility of the Ministry of Forests and Range but their mandate was largely to manage the forest resources not recreation, said Peters.
He said there have been about 1,000 kilometres of trails built without any legal authority in the Chilliwack district, which includes Maple Ridge.
"This Crown land recreation has been going on for a lot of years without a management body specifically mandated to deal with it," said Peters.
Peters said he's currently working with other ministries to try and deal with recreational use on Crown land. He has mapping information of existing trails and watercourses but what he doesn't have is mapping information about species at risk.
"We know they're there but we don't know where. We've never mapped them," said Peters. "That's information we're hoping to get eventually. That will go a long way to deciding what may or may not take place in those areas."
He said ultimately it won't be the provincial government that dictates land use on Blue Mountain. Decisions will be made after consultation with stakeholder groups.
Shane
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Farp wrote:
Well it hit the Globe and Mail
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/british-columbia/bc-moves-to-regulate-recreational-off-road-vehicles/article1321342/
And if you read the comments your SPOT on Farp
Nothing to do with anything but getting ORV's Banned from crown lands...one step at a time....follow the money trail.
Unless ORV groups unit as one and pay errr lobby the government it will be a road of closure for ORV's...especially in Southern BC andits populous regions.
I'm sure ICBC is chomping at this as well...great way to increase there revenue.
Enforcement will be interesting and how it will be done...since it ain't happenning much now by the comments in the article
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Farp wrote:
Well it hit the Globe and Mail
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/british-columbia/bc-moves-to-regulate-recreational-off-road-vehicles/article1321342/
And if you read the comments your SPOT on Farp
Nothing to do with anything but getting ORV's Banned from crown lands...one step at a time....follow the money trail.
Unless ORV groups unit as one and pay errr lobby the government it will be a road of closure for ORV's...especially in Southern BC andits populous regions.
I'm sure ICBC is chomping at this as well...great way to increase there revenue.
Enforcement will be interesting and how it will be done...since it ain't happenning much now by the comments in the article
O
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We willbe telling our grandkids "I can remember the time you could ride a motorcycle on a trail" and they will stare at us in disbelief and reply "I thought you could only do that on a Playstation or XBox!"
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We willbe telling our grandkids "I can remember the time you could ride a motorcycle on a trail" and they will stare at us in disbelief and reply "I thought you could only do that on a Playstation or XBox!"
otg
Farp
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I went to the BCORMA web-site with the intention of signing up and doing what-ever I could to support this group. The web-site looks impressive but I could not find out how to sign up as a user/member. I then tried to buy a trail pass but had no luck with that either, so I decided to donate some money to the cause figuring it was the least I could do. But when I clicked on their Credit card/Paypal button a screen appeared advising me that I couldn't do that either. I tried to email them but was blocked from doing that by some kind of internet security cookie issue (WTF that is). So now I don't know what to think. It appears we have an advocate who cannot be reached by the rank and file that it represents. Jeez, ya think we might be in trouble??? OTG it looks like you're right about the grandchildren stories. If we can't co-ordinate our efforts and put up a united front we're going to lose.
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I went to the BCORMA web-site with the intention of signing up and doing what-ever I could to support this group. The web-site looks impressive but I could not find out how to sign up as a user/member. I then tried to buy a trail pass but had no luck with that either, so I decided to donate some money to the cause figuring it was the least I could do. But when I clicked on their Credit card/Paypal button a screen appeared advising me that I couldn't do that either. I tried to email them but was blocked from doing that by some kind of internet security cookie issue (WTF that is). So now I don't know what to think. It appears we have an advocate who cannot be reached by the rank and file that it represents. Jeez, ya think we might be in trouble??? OTG it looks like you're right about the grandchildren stories. If we can't co-ordinate our efforts and put up a united front we're going to lose.
Grumpy KTM
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Yes, it has come time for some rules and regulations for ORV use. It may become a benefit for us in the long run. If we leave things running the way they are, we will be lumped in with the yahoo idots everytime someone sees a motor bike, snowmobile, ATV making a mess of our lands.There will be no easy way of seperating ourselves from the "Evil Doers" ( George W Bush). If the politicians and the emotionally fragile don't become unrealistic, then I think it should work. Hopefully!:spl:
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Yes, it has come time for some rules and regulations for ORV use. It may become a benefit for us in the long run. If we leave things running the way they are, we will be lumped in with the yahoo idots everytime someone sees a motor bike, snowmobile, ATV making a mess of our lands.There will be no easy way of seperating ourselves from the "Evil Doers" ( George W Bush). If the politicians and the emotionally fragile don't become unrealistic, then I think it should work. Hopefully!:spl:
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Farp wrote:
Sorry to hear your having so much trouble parting with your money
BCORMA is and association of clubs, DSBC is on of the founding member clubs. You become a member of BCORMA by being a member of one of the Member Clubs. So you want to be a member of BCORMA become a full paid member of DSBC.
I know it is not the easiest thing to understand but we are all volunteers here and doing the best we can with nothing.
You can get your Trail Pass thru JavaJude and remember all the money stays within the off road riding community
Tom
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Farp wrote:
Sorry to hear your having so much trouble parting with your money
BCORMA is and association of clubs, DSBC is on of the founding member clubs. You become a member of BCORMA by being a member of one of the Member Clubs. So you want to be a member of BCORMA become a full paid member of DSBC.
I know it is not the easiest thing to understand but we are all volunteers here and doing the best we can with nothing.
You can get your Trail Pass thru JavaJude and remember all the money stays within the off road riding community
Tom
Farp
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Thanks Tom. I just PM'd Javajude re becoming a paid member of DSBC and purchasing a trail pass.
I want to thank you, Javajude, and all the other volunteers who make this great organization work. I've been participating in the forums, and been making riding acquaintances thru DSBC for over 6 months now but I've never really felt like a legit member, but now I will. I'm feeling better about it already. Thank you.
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Thanks Tom. I just PM'd Javajude re becoming a paid member of DSBC and purchasing a trail pass.
I want to thank you, Javajude, and all the other volunteers who make this great organization work. I've been participating in the forums, and been making riding acquaintances thru DSBC for over 6 months now but I've never really felt like a legit member, but now I will. I'm feeling better about it already. Thank you.
O
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Farp wrote:
In the meantime, the same eco groups and a surprising number of other organizations continue to raise deep concerns over the management of our natural resources, in particular our forests. While they try to raise public awareness and seek changes to forestry policies it seems there is not much mediafocus on their efforts. Perhaps the main underlying reason is that it is politically dangerous to attack anything that creates jobs, especially during an deep recessionary economy.
I think the government sees an opportunity to deflect a great deal of the pressure coming from the environmentalists and in a small way win some favour with them by attacking us. To compare the damage that even the worst offending ORV'sgenerate compared to the environmental disaster in the making in our forests is absurb. That is why I think the issues are absolutely interconnected.
Here is a link to a very interesting report discussing the possible ramifications of our provinces current approach to the pine beetle infestation. When you consider the long term effect this will have on our province, our forests and the well being of future generations (our kids) you will wonder why they are wasting time chasing a few motorcycles out of the forests:
<<http://www.bcfed.ca/files/bc_overcutting_woodwaste.pdf>>
Sorry for the long winded post but I think we are seen as part of the problem and not as part of the solution by most of the public and that is our greatest challenge, changing that perspective.
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Farp wrote:
ORV users are just one group seen as a threat toour environment. We area relatively small group and for the most part unorganized. Our pursuits are primarily for personal enjoyment (recreation) so we are an easy target to build negative sentiment towards and a potential easy victory for the eco groups. From a government perspective, attacking us diverts a lot of attention from bigger issues. That is evidenced by the PR efforts recently seen in papers and on the radio where we hear from government representatives telling the stories of horrible environment waste and destruction.
In the meantime, the same eco groups and a surprising number of other organizations continue to raise deep concerns over the management of our natural resources, in particular our forests. While they try to raise public awareness and seek changes to forestry policies it seems there is not much mediafocus on their efforts. Perhaps the main underlying reason is that it is politically dangerous to attack anything that creates jobs, especially during an deep recessionary economy.
I think the government sees an opportunity to deflect a great deal of the pressure coming from the environmentalists and in a small way win some favour with them by attacking us. To compare the damage that even the worst offending ORV'sgenerate compared to the environmental disaster in the making in our forests is absurb. That is why I think the issues are absolutely interconnected.
Here is a link to a very interesting report discussing the possible ramifications of our provinces current approach to the pine beetle infestation. When you consider the long term effect this will have on our province, our forests and the well being of future generations (our kids) you will wonder why they are wasting time chasing a few motorcycles out of the forests:
<<http://www.bcfed.ca/files/bc_overcutting_woodwaste.pdf>>
Sorry for the long winded post but I think we are seen as part of the problem and not as part of the solution by most of the public and that is our greatest challenge, changing that perspective.
otg
hightoweratwork
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Here is some thing we can do now to support our riding areas:
http://www.dualsportbc.com/forums/view_topic.php?id=9180&forum_id=1
or this will get you directly there:
http://www2.canada.com/mapleridgetimes/index.html
This is a poll: "Should off-road vehicles be banned from Blue Mountain?"
If all the menbers vote No , maybe someone will be reading this.
Shane
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Here is some thing we can do now to support our riding areas:
http://www.dualsportbc.com/forums/view_topic.php?id=9180&forum_id=1
or this will get you directly there:
http://www2.canada.com/mapleridgetimes/index.html
This is a poll: "Should off-road vehicles be banned from Blue Mountain?"
If all the menbers vote No , maybe someone will be reading this.
Shane
Grumpy KTM
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Voted "No":hb:
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Voted "No":hb:
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I have just been in contact with Peter S of BCORMA and he is well aware of the situation that it transpiring in regards to new legislation for ORV's The word now is to sit tight and not let the media spin get to you........yet. Lets see what the government has in mind first.
Lets be prepared for action if the new rules are way out there. Lets go with what we know. I will try and stay on top of any new coming down the line and report here. If anyone here hears or knows of anything please post here so we can check it out
Tom
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I have just been in contact with Peter S of BCORMA and he is well aware of the situation that it transpiring in regards to new legislation for ORV's The word now is to sit tight and not let the media spin get to you........yet. Lets see what the government has in mind first.
Lets be prepared for action if the new rules are way out there. Lets go with what we know. I will try and stay on top of any new coming down the line and report here. If anyone here hears or knows of anything please post here so we can check it out
Tom
2Trider
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One thing "constructive" that I would like to see if the Government is so keen on regs is to copy the Michigan trail system pass. For $16.50us/year all the monies go to build/support/enforce ORV trail useage through out the state.
Get a plate, buy your ORV sticker and be proud that the monies are being used to support the trail systems
Being BC is what 95% crown lands this would be a ideal way to grow/support ORV usage and it's economic value.
Now that I could support
But it would seem that "support" is not part of the governments agenda here:mad3:
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One thing "constructive" that I would like to see if the Government is so keen on regs is to copy the Michigan trail system pass. For $16.50us/year all the monies go to build/support/enforce ORV trail useage through out the state.
Get a plate, buy your ORV sticker and be proud that the monies are being used to support the trail systems
Being BC is what 95% crown lands this would be a ideal way to grow/support ORV usage and it's economic value.
Now that I could support
But it would seem that "support" is not part of the governments agenda here:mad3:
tspoon
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Buck
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http://www.cfax1070.com/polls.php?poll=1397
Another media poll with 73% support for licensing off road vehicles.
Most of the back country near Victoria is off limits to ORV's already including all CRD parks ant TLC lands.
But electric bicycles are allowed on CRD trails!
http://crd.bc.ca/parks/documents/electric_bicycles_FAQs.pdf
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http://www.cfax1070.com/polls.php?poll=1397
Another media poll with 73% support for licensing off road vehicles.
Most of the back country near Victoria is off limits to ORV's already including all CRD parks ant TLC lands.
But electric bicycles are allowed on CRD trails!
http://crd.bc.ca/parks/documents/electric_bicycles_FAQs.pdf
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2Trider wrote:
I hate to do this to you 2Trider, and I have said it before (and your right the gov does not want to support ORV use)
Here in BC all money goes to "General Revenue" Thats not going to change in our lifetime
We already have a system in place where 100% of the money collected stays in the off road motorcycling community, BCORMA TRAIL PASS
Tom
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2Trider wrote:
I hate to do this to you 2Trider, and I have said it before (and your right the gov does not want to support ORV use)
Here in BC all money goes to "General Revenue" Thats not going to change in our lifetime
We already have a system in place where 100% of the money collected stays in the off road motorcycling community, BCORMA TRAIL PASS
Tom
2Trider
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tomcycle wrote:
When monies go into general revenue ...kiss it good bye and even when monies are allocated like Cali's green/red sticker program the Gov. just wants to raid it...then the lawyers get it:mad3:
The BCORMA Trail Pass is good but since it does not cover all ORV's the big$$$ and voice get lost and divided we stand
Until one figures out who is pulling the strings in Gov and there motivation for doing so things will only get worse not better.....until H1N1 wipes out half the population
and leaves us dirt shredders to play:clap:....unmolested
Guess that is why I bought the trials bike....only need a small area to fully amuse me
Then keep a DT200 for DS riding ...in.. out... bye bye
And the 300 just sits...too much grey area with it here
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When monies go into general revenue ...kiss it good bye and even when monies are allocated like Cali's green/red sticker program the Gov. just wants to raid it...then the lawyers get it:mad3:
The BCORMA Trail Pass is good but since it does not cover all ORV's the big$$$ and voice get lost and divided we stand
Until one figures out who is pulling the strings in Gov and there motivation for doing so things will only get worse not better.....until H1N1 wipes out half the population
and leaves us dirt shredders to play:clap:....unmolested
Guess that is why I bought the trials bike....only need a small area to fully amuse me
Then keep a DT200 for DS riding ...in.. out... bye bye
And the 300 just sits...too much grey area with it here
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I guess that means no trail pass for you. Im glad not everyone shares this outlook on what I think is a good plan. At least it beats sitting and waiting for the gates to go up and the areas to be closed. And guess what, trials bikes look like dirt bikes to the Greenies.
If you not part of the solution your part of the problem
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I guess that means no trail pass for you. Im glad not everyone shares this outlook on what I think is a good plan. At least it beats sitting and waiting for the gates to go up and the areas to be closed. And guess what, trials bikes look like dirt bikes to the Greenies.
If you not part of the solution your part of the problem