Restricted Use Motorcycles (RUM)

[tomcycle]

Okay, so I got my ORV sticker for the bike, now what about Liability insurance?

My auto plan agent is comparing ICBC vs Oasis for liability rates.

I've noticed you can get a BCORMA Platinum Insured Trail Pass linked to the rider not bike specific thru the Oasis website for $170.

Is this what most of you do out there?

Also wondering if it's rider linked insurance for 1,000,000, I guess I could lower or cancel liability on my road bikes?

It's a question I'll ask my broker when I get my quote.

Its best for off road riding if you buy your insurance thru Oasis with the Platinum Trail Pass. Not only will you get a better coverage but a few dollars will go back to BCORMA for our sport. It adds up to thousands of dollars for BCORMA. Swallow the small (if any) extra charge and support your sport.

If you buy your insurance thru ICBC or any other insurance company, not one cent comes back to our sport.

T

 

[250ccforme]

A good question indeed

A good question indeed

What's going on with ICBC? I keep hearing about, or seeing New plated RUM bikes,........even 2 strokes!? A kid on my island just plated a KX450, and I've recently seen a young-ish Husky wr300 with a plate, and a brand new Beta 300 as well.
Have the laws changed?

Maybe a shop is still Dual-Sporting RUM bikes and getting them into the system.

 

[tomcycle]

Maybe a shop is still Dual-Sporting RUM bikes and getting them into the system.

The laws have not changed.

Just because you manage to skirt the system, does not mean that you have beaten the system. If your bike was imported as an RUM Restricted Use Motorcycle, it can not be made street legal.

 

[farmerger]

Also wondering if it's rider linked insurance for 1,000,000, I guess I could lower or cancel liability on my road bikes?

It's a question I'll ask my broker when I get my quote.

In BC to operate under the MVA (your road bikes) you must purchase liability through ICBC.

 

[vortexman]

That makes two of us but I will never jump into one of these debates. As an inspector I will always lean on the conservative side. I am not sure who is inspecting all these bikes but the inspector sure has not reviewed circulars or bulletins.

In terms of compliance decals pretty easy just means someone has confirmed all applicable CMVSS and FMVSS have been met. Most provincial and federal jurisdictions have pretty much the same standard and this can be found in the BC Motor vehicle Act if one is bored this evening.

The Feds have it listed in the Motor Vehicle Safety Act as well. Remember the powers that be will do everything to deny you reimbursement if something goes sideways. I am not a gloom and doomer, or a stater of "you will crash burn and die unless you comply" type of guy.

national safety mark means the expression “Canada Motor Vehicle Safety Standard” or “Norme de sécurité des véhicules automobiles du Canada”, the abbreviation “CMVSS” or “NSVAC”, or the symbol set out in Schedule II; (marque nationale de sécurité)

It looks to me, if you get away with it good on you, and if you don't, well you get to go bike shopping.

 

[Choulton]

Where should the compliance sticker be on the bike ? and if there isn't one can i tell from the VIN if the bike is a RUM or a MotorCycle ?
I bought a used 2014 KTM 2 stroke last year and when i went to register it as an offroad motorcycle, found it had already been registered as a MotorCycle. Last week i got a plate and road leagal insurance, but the bike has no indicators, mirrors, brake lights etc. Not that i planned to use it on the street, now id like to occasionally but i don't know where i stand legally, baring a ticket for all the missing street parts.
I generally believe its better to ask for forgivness than permission, so haven't broached the subject with ICBC.

 

[vortexman]

When in doubt just call CVSE. When these issues come up and there is no language in the Commercial Vehicle Inspector's manual I usually just call my local CVSE area enforcement officer.

Not sure what all the "RUM" hub bub is all about. Seems more emotional than logical but we could debate engine oil.

http://www.cvse.ca/vehicle_inspections/PDF/20160203_MVI_Phone_List.pdf
https://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/motorvehiclesafety/tp-tp12957-menu-173.htm

 

[tomcycle]

Where should the compliance sticker be on the bike ? and if there isn't one can i tell from the VIN if the bike is a RUM or a MotorCycle ?
I bought a used 2014 KTM 2 stroke last year and when i went to register it as an offroad motorcycle, found it had already been registered as a MotorCycle. Last week i got a plate and road leagal insurance, but the bike has no indicators, mirrors, brake lights etc. Not that i planned to use it on the street, now id like to occasionally but i don't know where i stand legally, baring a ticket for all the missing street parts.
I generally believe its better to ask for forgivness than permission, so haven't broached the subject with ICBC.

I would think from a legal standpoint, you have already made a mess of any claim you might have. You have publicly admitted that you know that your bike does not have what is required by law to operate on public highways. I hate to tell you this now, but there are several government agencies that follow this site, particularly this thread.

If you do get pulled over, I would expect at the very least you will get a notice of inspection. You will have a tough time getting a two stroke to pass the inspection.

 

[vortexman]

RUM Compliance CMVSS decal

RUM Compliance CMVSS decal

This is part of a National Safety Mark and some form of it must be affixed to all new vehicles sold in Canada. As an inspector (BC) my guidelines are here

http://www.cvse.ca/vehicle_inspections/PDF/090914_bulletin_5_motorcycles.pdf

 

[tomcycle]

Thanks vortexman your link to the notice is pretty clear.
http://www.cvse.ca/vehicle_inspections/PDF/090914_bulletin_5_motorcycles.pdf

 

[Choulton]

Thanks for the information.
I don't know the bikes history prior to me, so not sure what tests or inspections it may have gone through in the past.
I'll check the sticker, theres no point buying mirrors, indicators etc only to get a ticket for a re inspection that the bike can't pass.
Sounds like my dreams of posing on the 2 Stroke outside Starbucks are dashed.

 

[farmerger]

Where should the compliance sticker be on the bike ? and if there isn't one can i tell from the VIN if the bike is a RUM or a MotorCycle ?
I bought a used 2014 KTM 2 stroke last year and when i went to register it as an offroad motorcycle, found it had already been registered as a MotorCycle. Last week i got a plate and road leagal insurance, but the bike has no indicators, mirrors, brake lights etc. Not that i planned to use it on the street, now id like to occasionally but i don't know where i stand legally, baring a ticket for all the missing street parts.
I generally believe its better to ask for forgivness than permission, so haven't broached the subject with ICBC.

If you look at the VIN sticker you will see "RUM" printed right beside the VIN. So technically this bike should never have received registration for on road, but someone got it through. (Rumor has it that the more remote a location you chose to register the greater your chance of getting a RUM bike on the road.) There are quite a few of these RUM bikes registered for on road, and, perhaps vortexman could expand on this, but I have not seen any legislation recalling these RUM bikes. As pointed out by vortexman, if you are asked to get it inspected, you will not pass the inspection and loose your on road registration. As for the insurance end of this (and I am not a lawyer so this free advice is worth exactly what you paid for it) ICBC has insured you. Now Tom is correct, should you get into a collision, they will look at whether your RUM bike contributed to the collision, but they would have to show that it did and that the outcome would have been different had you been on a legit road legal bike (I think this is what vortexman was eluding to under the RUM hub bub.) If you are going to ride it on the road, help everyone and yourself out and put a Baja lights kit on it.

 

[vortexman]

I think sometimes people forget the politics involved with vehicles. I have worked for some big international outfits and often wondered why we here in Canada were not exposed (allowed to purchase) vehicles built for other markets.

I can state with absolute clarity the big manufacturers basically make deals with the Feds on what product will be sold in Canada. Ask yourself why we cannot purchase small fuel efficient cars as sold in Europe? Protectionism of Canadian manufacturing as well as protectionism for the oil companies selling fuel, end of story.

I have been on a few "Crusades" with regard to vehicle importation and one will come to the same conclusion. So before you get mad about being able to purchase CRF 230L
keep in mind Honda spent a great deal of money having that product certified for sale in North America/Canada and will most certainly want market share for this investment.

I want a Toyota but am not allowed to purchase one due to the fact I am basically forced to buy a NA manufactured SUV that is of far lower quality that the Africa Market Series 79 so in summation we have very little freedom in terms of purchasing vehicles in Canada

 

[Old Phart]

I have a RUM 2009 KLX450R that is a blast to ride on FSR's. According to the specs it has 56 HP and weighs only 258 lbs. It's plated and registered for highway use - has the Baja lighting kit, horn, mirror, etc. Rekluse Pro clutch (great for trail riding), 3.2 gallon Ascerbis gas tank, Billet aluminum cargo rack, Shorai lithium battery, etc., etc.