DR650 vs DRZ400

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malachi wrote:
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um......yep

{QUOTE=Eddie Sisneros}

60hp made easy,

Lukes Racing 470cc bigbore kit
13:1 compression
3x3 airbox mod
FCR 41mm carb
1mm oversized valves and port job
Yoshimura Ti pipe


my personal bike made 56hp on a stock cylinder head.i lost interest and went bigbore!

i have several 55-60hp drz's running around out there.{QUOTE}

I never said it would be cheap, but it is possible :D

Eddie is a DRZ guru on Thumpertalk.


I guess it all depends on whose dyno you use and what you consider easy.:D

Suzuki DRZ 119 kg dry weight, Sherco 4.5i 109 kg dry weight. (that's about 22 lbs or the equivalent of another couple of horsepower)

DRZ36 hp stock. Sherco 47 hp stock.

DRZ 5 speeds. Sherco 6 speeds. (althought the six speed is close ratio so not a huge advantage for dual sporting,better off road though)

When is the last time you saw a DRZ competing and finishing or winning at Erzberg, Last Man Standing, Romaniacs, ISDE, Dakar?


Simply two vastly different types of bikes both of which are fun to ride. For any distance and commuting I would take the DRZ. For more serious off roading and little bit of slab I love my Euro enduro.

In regards to the original thread:

If I were choosing between the DR and the DRZ I think I would go for the DRZ (I did own one) as it is a better dirt bike and that's where I spend most of my time. The DRZ is a lot cheaper to insure. If I were doing more hiway and distance work the DR is a solid, dependable bike with great fire road capability.

Would I buy either bike the answer is a definite no. Both designs are simply too old and I think there are many better choices now available and for not much more money.


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better choices?? what are they then....

My choices would depend on the application. For day rides where I like to ride as much off pavement as possible and want single track capability I amreally happywith my Sherco although others that are interesting are:

KTM 450, Beta 400 (if it can be licensed), Husky, Husaberg, Gas Gas and possibly the new WR250 injected.A street legalHonda XR650R would be pretty cool too. I would check out part availability for any of the above before buying but they look like they all would be fun!

For adventure riding with a much higher pavement component I would consider:

BMW 800, BMW 650X Challenge, KTM 690, maybe KTM 990 if I was planning a longer trip.

Again,these are my opinions ona pretty subjective topic so take it for what it is. As long as I am out riding, it really doesn't matter what I ride :D.

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better choices?? what are they then....



The Honda Ruckus, the Big Ruckus!

Warp Drive 1,000,000 HP :tup:
 

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OTG, those euro bikes areWAY more money than a DR/DRZs and you said "for not much more"...try 10 times more!!the only other bike that made sense was the XR650R..what imsaying is that as far as dual-sports go,the meagre choices are cheaper japanese [KLRsDRsXRsDRZsXTs] or uber $$euro bikes that are either race bikes[KTM,HUSKY] or heavy street -oriented ADV bikes:[GS800 F650 R 1200etc]most people put up with modding cheaper bikes than spending tons $$$ on euro bikes but hey go for it -if you can swing it- i love bikes -just not enough to take out a 3rd mtg on one in this rip-off town!! :)
 
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OTG, those euro bikes areWAY more money than a DR/DRZs and you said "for not much more"...try 10 times more!!the only other bike that made sense was the XR650R..what imsaying is that as far as dual-sports go,the meagre choices are cheaper japanese [KLRsDRsXRsDRZsXTs] or uber $$euro bikes that are either race bikes[KTM,HUSKY] or heavy street -oriented ADV bikes:[GS800 F650 R 1200etc]most people put up with modding cheaper bikes than spending tons $$$ on euro bikes but hey go for it -if you can swing it- i love bikes -just not enough to take out a 3rd mtg on one in this rip-off town!! :)

When I was looking for dual sport I could buy a new KTM 450EXC for under 9k or about2500 more than a DRZ. You can buy the 2009 BMW 600 (800 cc dressed down) for $9,490.00 or $183.00a monthon the never never plan. New DR $6399 or about $130 bucks a month.3 year warranty on thebimmer, one year on theSuzuki.

Ya, it's a lot more but not 10 times more. Abouttwotrips to the bar per month!

I bought a "carry over" or new old stock bike and saved big bucks. It pays to shop around, besides how can you put a pricetag on a love affair :tup:

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yeah,i should of said 5 times more $$!! your prices are wayyyyyyy better on the coast than here- i priced out a new DR650 last week in KELOWNA it was$ 7500-8500[otd] the BMWs are 12k and upKTM530 exc street legal was 11K !!too many retired hockey players around here and boomers from VAN driving the prices up- even used prices are WAC as the sellers are smokin too much of their gro-op crop when they price their bikes!!i think now that the snows melting,im gonna trailer up and go bike shopping down there [again]:D
 

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yeah,i should of said 5 times more $$!! your prices are wayyyyyyy better on the coast than here- i priced out a new DR650 last week in KELOWNA it was$ 7500-8500[otd] the BMWs are 12k and upKTM530 exc street legal was 11K !!too many retired hockey players around here and boomers from VAN driving the prices up- even used prices are WAC as the sellers are smokin too much of their gro-op crop when they price their bikes!!i think now that the snows melting,im gonna trailer up and go bike shopping down there [again]:D
Man, those prices are really high, and as you said. So must be the guys selling them. :hr:
 

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OPasked aboutDR650 vs DRZ400, factory literature says Stock DR650 rated 70% road/30% off road, Stock DRZ400 70% off road/30%road. The mods for these two models have grown amazingly over the last few years. I think the reliability and (old) proven design are pluses for someone getting into dualsport initially, and the aformentioned availablemods(how much $$ ya' wanna spend) can help you prolong and improvethe the investment. Both bikes are easy to maintain with less demanding maintenance schedules. I mean do ya want to ride it or constantly fiddle with it? Bottom line betwix the two is DR650=heavy and more mods needed for off road. DRZ400=more off road capable but do you want to ride Alaska and back on a 400? By the way my DR has beenwell usedand still runs like a top, never let me down yet. Cheers:hb:.

 
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When is the last time you saw a DRZ competing and finishing or winning at Erzberg, Last Man Standing, Romaniacs, ISDE, Dakar?

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Sorry OTG - I agree absolutely with the spirit of what you are saying, but I just couldn't let this one slide.

2009 Dakar - Marc Verriest - DRZ 400 - Finished 103
http://www.dakar.com/2009/DAK/RIDERS/us/equipage/146.html

Cheers,
Matthew

I deserved that. Good for Marc. Finishing the Dakar is no small accomplishment.

<<http://www.dakar.com/2009/DAK/RIDERS/us/equipage/178.html>>

First Dakar for Eric Schiano on the Sherco 250, 73rd overall

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hey phoenix,imtrying to geta daily driver- around town- commuting bike that will do occasional hwy is the DR good for that?? i dont care about the off road capability so much... the used prices favor the DR650 over the DRZ but which would be better??
 

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malachi wrote:
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2009 Dakar - Marc Verriest - DRZ 400 - Finished 103
http://www.dakar.com/2009/DAK/RIDERS/us/equipage/146.html

Cheers,
Matthew
wicked:tup: Thats one tough feat:clap:

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That DRZ looks cool....do you know who makes the body work....I want it...

Don't know for sure, but it sure looks alot like a KTM 640 Adventure fairing stitched on to a safari tank.
 
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