Registering an XR650R?Or any offroad bike for street use?

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The government does not want off road vehicles on the highway so they changed the wording of the manual to make this clear.
Which brings us to the million dollar question, why???

And before I go any further, this is in no way directed at spc, who's opinions, comments, and now forwarnings, I greatly appreciate. Keep up the good work spc.:tup: This is firmly directed at the bureaucrats who could be doing a lot more to insuring road safety and reducing pollution than worrying about the few dirt bikers wanting to put a plate on their bike.

Safety? Signals, lights, brake lights, etc, are already required to be street legal. I'm curious on this brake tested/approved thing, what's the difference in brakes between street and dirt bikes? Does it have to do with heat dissipation and brake fade, or? I'm sceptical on the plastic tank issue, as plastic these days can be made about as tuff as steel, and as a bonus doesn't rust out. (Not too mention does that mean I may soon only be able to ride my BMW1200GS, with a plastic tank, off road?:hr:)

Environmental? I'm all for keeping things quiet, so I can see restrictions on exhausts. Of course, if that's the reason, most roadbikes, (and we all know what manufacturer's bikes I mean) would have to lose their plates as well. Exhaust gases/particulates - all bikes should have restrictions on these, not just road bikes. What difference does it make to the environment whether I pollute the air while riding in the woods or riding on the road?

One last comment, and then I'll get off my soap box, and will shut up. As tonybaloney already pointed out enforcement is lacking. Is there anything in the works were ALL on road vehicles will be subject to periodic inspections for compliance with safety and environmental conditions? Last rumour I heard, Aircare was even being considered for the chopping block. :mi::wi::mb::mad3:
 

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To me the modern "dirt bike" is the height of technology in terms of speed and handling in the most extreme conditions and built to withstand massive abuse.

"Testing" to be SAFE. I think thats built in.

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spc

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farmerger wrote:
spc wrote:
The government does not want off road vehicles on the highway so they changed the wording of the manual to make this clear.
Which brings us to the million dollar question, why???

And before I go any further, this is in no way directed at spc, who's opinions, comments, and now forwarnings, I greatly appreciate. Keep up the good work spc.:tup: This is firmly directed at the bureaucrats who could be doing a lot more to insuring road safety and reducing pollution than worrying about the few dirt bikers wanting to put a plate on their bike.

Safety? Signals, lights, brake lights, etc, are already required to be street legal. I'm curious on this brake tested/approved thing, what's the difference in brakes between street and dirt bikes? Does it have to do with heat dissipation and brake fade, or? I'm sceptical on the plastic tank issue, as plastic these days can be made about as tuff as steel, and as a bonus doesn't rust out. (Not too mention does that mean I may soon only be able to ride my BMW1200GS, with a plastic tank, off road?:hr:)

Environmental? I'm all for keeping things quiet, so I can see restrictions on exhausts. Of course, if that's the reason, most roadbikes, (and we all know what manufacturer's bikes I mean) would have to lose their plates as well. Exhaust gases/particulates - all bikes should have restrictions on these, not just road bikes. What difference does it make to the environment whether I pollute the air while riding in the woods or riding on the road?

One last comment, and then I'll get off my soap box, and will shut up. As tonybaloney already pointed out enforcement is lacking. Is there anything in the works were ALL on road vehicles will be subject to periodic inspections for compliance with safety and environmental conditions? Last rumour I heard, Aircare was even being considered for the chopping block. :mi::wi::mb::mad3:

Perhaps I used incorrect wording; I should have said that "the government does not want vehicles on the highway that the manufacturer has not certified for on road use”.

The federal government sets the standard that a vehicle must meet to be certified for on road use. B.C. accepts the federal standard.

Some plastic fuel tanks are approved. If it is a stock tank on a certified motorcycle it must be approved.

I don’t know about aircare or private vehicles but my department is doing more emission testing and mechanical inspections of commercial vehicles than in the past.
 

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this comment might be affected by the fact that its tax time-but i still think the govt should stay out of decisions like this.if a motorvehicle inspector passes a bike,i'm sure it's safer than those drum brake,brazed frame,no muffler HDs.(i'm still a harley guy).common sense tells us that a converted dirt bike only travels a fraction of what a commuter or other streetbike does.plus they are generally owned by someone who pays attn to his equipment.i'd like them to use this administrative time to look into multi use plates,for those of us with more than one bike.
 

Floored

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So has there been any more info on this topic? I've seen lots of nice bikes out there lately, but I don't know if they are going to keep their "Street Legal" status.

Anyone know?
 
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Floored wrote:
So has there been any more info on this topic? I've seen lots of nice bikes out there lately, but I don't know if they are going to keep their "Street Legal" status.

Anyone know?

Most stuff if already passed and insured, cannot suddenly be taken off the road by deeming it illegal.

I suspect the bikes already in use to be GRANDFATHERED in, and the ones after the new regs come into effect to have a hard time getting insured.



My new ride will come from the Honda factory rated for road use, and its also here in a week, so unless the regs come into effect before then I see no problems.
 
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a not sure whats happening here, I got my CRF450x inspected and insured about 3 weeks ago now... all is well for me.
 

tspoon

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[align=left]Hello DS Group; SPC; I have an XR400R Plated in Alberta, I will be relocating to BC within the next year. Can you tell me if a provincial inspection will be required or if my XR will be considered as an out of province vehicle, and if so will I have the problem you are discussing ? Would it be to my advantage to have the inspection done before the new legislation comes into play as I will be there with the bike this summer and own a residence there presently. Any input would be much appreciated. Thanks T.
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cactusreid

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tspoon: if you have the bike over here this summer,i would get your license and insurance transfered over to bc ins. just a hunch, but i think they will have a hard time and a big fight on their hands if they try to pull plates on some of those 50/75k$ choppers we see running around. they sure as h$%LL didn't come with a street legal badge when they were built.goverments don't like controversy,so i see a "grandfather clause" as being a very good possibility.


please take this members statements as free advice- worth every penny you pay for it,as individual results may vary!
 

tspoon

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Point taken; I would have to agree with your statements, In Alta I've seen many garage built HD's cobbled together with hundred's of internet purchased parts. Dirt bikes are designed to withstand the extremes of high flying wide open throttle impacts on a continual basis and are maintained to do so. T.
 

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tspoon wrote:
[align=left]Hello DS Group; SPC; I have an XR400R Plated in Alberta, I will be relocating to BC within the next year. Can you tell me if a provincial inspection will be required or if my XR will be considered as an out of province vehicle, and if so will I have the problem you are discussing ? Would it be to my advantage to have the inspection done before the new legislation comes into play as I will be there with the bike this summer and own a residence there presently. Any input would be much appreciated. Thanks T.
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Unlike cars and trucks, street bikes (registered elsewhere in Canada) do not require a BC inspection to be registered in BC. However, you have a licenced dirt bikenot a street bike. ICBC may or may not accept it. CACTUSREID may have had a good idea about trying to get it licenced in BC this summer.
 

Floored

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I'm curious what is going on with this as I know of a few "illegal bikes" that have been plated since the rules came out.
 
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I talked to S and G power today and was told that as longas I follow the letter of the law regarding my lighting and safety stuff the bike would pass no problem.

However the guy did ICBC may still make a fuss regarding insurance. I don't see how they can refuse to insure my bike if I have it inspected and it passes said inspection as safe for road use. That would be a total double standard.

The more laws our government passes these days the more I shake my head, with them giving away our forests, rivers and ferries ( not to mention the water front properties the ferries held or the our BC hydro system!!!!) I can not believe they have the time to write these seemingly misguided laws regarding dual sport motorcycles.

It's the green solution!

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Any new info? What is the cut-off date? I want to street convert a 2 stroke MX bike.
 

tspoon

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Done deal, plated and insured without a hitch ! Thanks spc and cactusreid for your advice, even managed to get out for a couple of local rides! :D Thanks teach !:clap:

Looking forward to the next ride !:hb: T.
 

Dan

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The funny part is that you can take a dualsport and make it "dirtier" without any problems though. I can make my bike as loud as an "uncorked" WR legally.

Well, yes and no. You can go ahead and make it dirtier by uncorking it and yanking the emissions equipment

but its still Illegal.

Removing or tampering with any factory installed emissions equipment is pretty much illgelal everywhere. You only get away with it here because bikes don't have to go through emissions testing, yet.
 
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Gee, I wonder if some people are pushing for these changes ? K.T.M. has the big bore dualsports that don't require inspection. The salesman I spoke to the other day would have lots to gain if Husky,Yamie and Honda and others couldn't get their bikes passed.
 

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Gee, I wonder if some people are pushing for these changes ? K.T.M. has the big bore dualsports that don't require inspection. The salesman I spoke to the other day would have lots to gain if Husky,Yamie and Honda and others couldn't get their bikes passed.
KTM spent the money to get their bikes certified by Transport Canada. If other companies (Husky, Yamie, Honda, etc) were willing to spend the money needed to have their bikes certified we would all gain. Instead of complaining about government rules we should be complaining about companies that are not giving us the bikes we want. Maybe we should give KTM a pat on the back for taking the steps needed to provide us with LEGAL dual-sport bikes!
 
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