Restricted Use Motorcycles (RUM)

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Our problem is that only very people have Dualsport Bikes and care about these changes.
 
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cactusreid wrote:
dragonfly did they acuatualy reverse/pull your plate from your bike,or did the inspector just get caca?
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I didn't have a plate. I was in the process of applying for registration (obviously my bike had not previously been registered for road use). The inspector (who I am on good terms with) said they (the shop he works for) had done a couple since the memo came out and they had not been kicked back so he was willing to try it with mine. I assume these were new bikes as the shop has done a few CRF450Rs with baja kits and sold them as new (street legal?) bikes. As I understand it someone from the Commercial Vehicle Safety & Enforcement branch was at the shop the day afterI emailed my picture and made it pretty clear that RUMs were not to be inspected.

Oh, ICBC calledme back to let me know I could get a refund for the inspection :)

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Duane
 
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dragonfly wrote:
cactusreid wrote:
dragonfly did they acuatualy reverse/pull your plate from your bike,or did the inspector just get caca?
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I didn't have a plate. I was in the process of applying for registration (obviously my bike had not previously been registered for road use). The inspector (who I am on good terms with) said they (the shop he works for) had done a couple since the memo came out and they had not been kicked back so he was willing to try it with mine. I assume these were new bikes as the shop has done a few CRF450Rs with baja kits and sold them as new (street legal?) bikes. As I understand it someone from the Commercial Vehicle Safety & Enforcement branch was at the shop the day afterI emailed my picture and made it pretty clear that RUMs were not to be inspected.

Oh, ICBC calledme back to let me know I could get a refund for the inspection :)

Cheers
Duane
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This shop needs to be more carefull what they are inspecting. The memo from CVSE states that RUMs cannot be inspected.

If an inspector passes a vehicle that should not be inspected (RUM) he is committing an offence under the Motor Vehicle Act. Both he and his employer could be charged and/or lose their licence for doing inspections.
 
Grumpy KTM

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spc..... Why are dealers trying to street legal RUM - CRF450F, etc? I know of one CRF450F that I was interested in, and I was told directly that the Baja KittedCRF450Fwas good to go and the dealer said I had no worries ingettingit insured FOR THE ROAD? This was beforemy skin turned orange and I fell in love with the KTM. Who inspected that machine and told the dealer, he could tell the unsuspecting buyer that this machine was street legal? Inspectors?????? This is going to cost somebody a lot...lot of money when they buy a bike...only to find out, it is no good to insure for the road!!! Who,what,when is sending the memo out to inform the the general public on this matter? Or... did I miss this somewhere?

This is not a against you in any way spc!!! I may hope you can shed some insight on this disturbing matter. I would of been pissed..... royally.... if I found this out now after buying the CRF!!!!!!!!!

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Grumpy KTM
 
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Grumpy KTM wrote:
spc..... Why are dealers trying to street legal RUM - CRF450F, etc? I know of one CRF450F that I was interested in, and I was told directly that the Baja KittedCRF450Fwas good to go and the dealer said I had no worries ingettingit insured FOR THE ROAD? This was beforemy skin turned orange and I fell in love with the KTM. Who inspected that machine and told the dealer, he could tell the unsuspecting buyer that this machine was street legal? Inspectors?????? This is going to cost somebody a lot...lot of money when they buy a bike...only to find out, it is no good to insure for the road!!! Who,what,when is sending the memo out to inform the the general public on this matter? Or... did I miss this somewhere?

This is not a against you in any way spc!!! I may hope you can shed some insight on this disturbing matter. I would of been pissed..... royally.... if I found this out now after buying the CRF!!!!!!!!!

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Grumpy KTM
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not shure if i understand your beef...a rum is a rum .a crf with the bajakit wasperfectly ok to inspect and plate before the newly enforcedregs(cause thats what i had) .lets remember the new regs only came out,so somedealers will obviously be out of the ''loop''.as far as costing someone money,its the consumer who needs to educate his or herself,as theres ton's of ''suspect''dualsport bikes out there now that are only an ''inspection'' away from being 'not street legal''
 
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I'm just beefed at the prospect of buying a bike that would later be classifiedas being not road legal the next time it came due for insurance! All I know..,is thatseems that the rules are being fazed in.Would I still be effected even though I bought a CRF450 in August of this year? What happens down the road? One Dealer told me that it could be an issue!! Ipersonally don't have to worry now....,but I was close to being on the side of doubt with insurance issues!
 
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Grumpy KTM wrote:
spc..... Why are dealers trying to street legal RUM - CRF450F, etc? I know of one CRF450F that I was interested in, and I was told directly that the Baja KittedCRF450Fwas good to go and the dealer said I had no worries ingettingit insured FOR THE ROAD? This was beforemy skin turned orange and I fell in love with the KTM. Who inspected that machine and told the dealer, he could tell the unsuspecting buyer that this machine was street legal? Inspectors?????? This is going to cost somebody a lot...lot of money when they buy a bike...only to find out, it is no good to insure for the road!!! Who,what,when is sending the memo out to inform the the general public on this matter? Or... did I miss this somewhere?

This is not a against you in any way spc!!! I may hope you can shed some insight on this disturbing matter. I would of been pissed..... royally.... if I found this out now after buying the CRF!!!!!!!!!

Thanks

Grumpy KTM
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This bulletin was sent to all Inspection Facilities and Authorized Inspectors, therefore they should know that they are not allowed to inspect RUMs. It was done to prevent anymore RUMs from being licenced. The bulletin was not intended to take existing RUMs off the road or a bulletin would have been sent to enforcement agencies as well. This did not happen.

I have posted the bulletin on several motorcycle forums to help spread the word. All the motorcycle dealers in my area have been visited to inform them about the issue. Dealers in other parts of BC have been visited as well.

Dealers know that they are not supposed to licence RUMs. If a facility inspects and sells a RUM, since this bulletin was issued, and the buyer cannot get the vehicle licenced, I think the buyer can refer to MVA 222 as grounds for a refund.

Sale of motor vehicle contrary to regulations

222 A person must not sell, offer for sale, expose or display for sale or deliver over to a purchaser for use a motor vehicle, trailer or equipment for them that is not in accordance with this Act and the regulations.
 
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Ok so if now the powers that be have decided that your bike that passed inspection last month now is unsafe for road use this year, if this is the case which it seems it is then I think now is the time to get organized and aligned with other groups, suppliers of dual sport hardware and of course a good lawyer.
I will be writing another letter to ICBC and the motor vehicle people asking for clarification on the new act and for some explanations as to why it's been changed.

There is no way that this makes any sense to anyone.
I could see a full on motorcross bike being denied but there is just no good reason for a dual sported enduro bike.
In my case my bike comes as a R or SR model, it is identical. Absolutely illogical and possibly illegal.

If your interested in taking a serious stand on this issue, then lets do it!
reply here and lets hear some ideas put together a serious and level headed game plan.
 
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The funny thing is if you take a look at a bike like the new Husabergs; In Europe and Australia they are approved for road use. But in North America they aren't. Are we to believe that North America has the highest stardards :shock:Because I highly doubt that.
 
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This is just one of the many reasons why we need to organize and get the facts straight, and then proceed accordingly.

North Americas standards can be seen clearly in Tiger Woods escalade accident :p
 
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The way I see it in my pea in the quart jar brain is this. The manufactures want to sell more bikes in a already flooded market so they start putting a nastey little sticker on the frame and start to lobby government saying "we will not be responcible for a bike that is fore off road use only", strike the fear of god in the government that they might hear a " I told you so " . The problem is the people of north america, are soft. That is probably why my bike is street leagle everywhere but here.

Until people say enough is enough nothing will change. Myself I don't know what to do,spend more on what I got ( build a frame and such ) or dump it and start over.

ha, There is more than one way to skin a cat for now, and hopefully will be for some time in the future.:D
 
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What we need is people that are willing to put their money and time where their mouths are. If we can find enough people concerned with this that will put in a couple hundred dollars we can retain the services of a lawyer, from there we target suppliers or dual sport parts which is a lengthy list of companies then we go full bore with inquiries and figure out how and why this was put into play.
I do agree that there needs to be legislation and the bikes should meet the requirements but in my case it did! it passed inspection with flying colors, and now they want to change the rules? devalue our time and investments over a blanket law that solves nothing.

Another thing we had better get serious about it fighting Bill 30 here in BC..
Seriously people, this government is out of it's mind and unless we are willing to take a stand we are selling ourselves down the river!
 
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Ontario pulled the same stunt a couple of years ago and the MTO admitted that they would not pull any plates of bikes that were previously plated. They have made it a lot harder to get a new RUM bike plated though. That being said, a few still sneak through now and then.

If you guys really want to know the truth, the MTO people told ME (not someone else) that they caught on to the whole thing by reading forums just like this. They had no clue that they were allowing conversions for the past 15yrs.
 
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Looks like by the overwhelming response here that we are all typical Canadians lol..
Come on people wake up, pay attention to what is being forced on you here.
 
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Good luck. Like I said we'r to soft here. You don't see them shoving this down the throut of the people of the uk and aisa as well as euroupe.
 
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Stocks wrote:
Looks like by the overwhelming response here that we are all typical Canadians lol..
Come on people wake up, pay attention to what is being forced on you here.
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If you read back in the thread you will see that BCCOM have their lawyers on this. They are an effective advocacy group and I believe supporting them will be more effective than an ad hoc response from the grassroots.
 
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Yep, it's sad that so many people can be controlled and fooled by so few!
From stuff like this, Bill 30, HST and on and on lots of people bitch about it on Forums but when it comes time to make the changed needed they all turn tail and run.
It's getting worse and worse out there.
 
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