Restricted Use Motorcycles (RUM)

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Hey spc, it is just bureaucratic nonsense! If a bike is safe enough to go 100 mph in Baja or do triple jumps on a motocross track it is safe enough for me anywhere. Again, it is not about safety. Which is safer? A guy riding a 120HP crotch rocket with his girlfriend on the back, both in flip flops and shorts, or a guy on a RUM bike with all the gear? How about a 20 yr. old compliant bike that has never been maintained, or a brand new well maintainedconverted RUM bike. This type of legislation/enforcement is useless as far as safety is concerned. As for helmets, people choose uncertified ones all the time! Harley riders wear helmets that say not approved right on the label. The police don't seem to care as long as they have something on their head.
 
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North wrote:
You know, reading what "spc" just posted, makes me think about all Chinese bikes coming on to the market now.

I saw one with a plate on the Albion Ferry this spring. And the first thing I thought was that this piece of crap should not be allowed on the road. But, I guess it passed the BC inspection. I wonder if these Bikes have passed the Transport Canada inspection? I would have to think not.
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If they have not been approved by Transport Canada then they got on the road the same was your RUM did. By passing a BC inspection.
 
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Not that it is the same as a RUM but it makes me question what about the guys that make trikes out of VW's or converted Gold wings? Then you can throw in the side car kits...

Again adding parts to a bike but not getting any inspection to see if it has altered the safety and function of the original design.

Here all we are doing is basically putting tires that meet dot requrements and lights.

We all seen the choppers with licence plates cut up, tiny or no signals, poor tail light/brake lights built into fenders, not to mention exhausts that will not meet any kind of noise bylaw.

In my opinion we are being targeted unfairly and shouldnt lay down and take it...

A bike is a bike, 2 wheels and an engine...thats as simple as it gets...Then they all have to have a certain amount of safety standards set out by transport. If any bike meets these standards then there is no reason why it cannot be inspected then insured...



Grrrrr......
 
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North wrote:
You know, reading what "spc" just posted, makes me think about all Chinese bikes coming on to the market now.

I saw one with a plate on the Albion Ferry this spring. And the first thing I thought was that this piece of crap should not be allowed on the road. But, I guess it passed the BC inspection. I wonder if these Bikes have passed the Transport Canada inspection? I would have to think not.
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North I am 98% sure that some china bikes are aproved by the fedral govt. as MC not RUM Bikes.
 
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North wrote:
You know, reading what "spc" just posted, makes me think about all Chinese bikes coming on to the market now.

I saw one with a plate on the Albion Ferry this spring. And the first thing I thought was that this piece of crap should not be allowed on the road. But, I guess it passed the BC inspection. I wonder if these Bikes have passed the Transport Canada inspection? I would have to think not.
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North I am 98% sure that some china bikes are aproved by the fedral govt. as MC not RUM Bikes.
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Thanks, I was wondering if they were or not. The one that I saw, well I would not ride and I would let my Daughter on it as well.


You know. the more I think about this, the more confused I get.

As dirtirder was saying about choppers. How does this law work for Custom build bike shops? A lot of the bikes are very different. Can they still build Bikes? Or are they U-build bikes?

This does seem just to be aimed at the Dirt / Dualsport bike crowd.
 
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guy's i think we have hit most of the points that we are all trying to make here. now we need to move forward and get this assinine bulletin reversed or altered. if we don't get this changed,we will all be dualsportin' on klr's and xl 650l's! so let's put our collective heads together and figure out who,what where,when and how to get this turned around! WE ARE NOT CRIMINALS! so lets fight back! i'm going to try with my local mla early next week for a start. lets get going boy's n girl's, and let your riding friends know as well!
 
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Very Good Point, we need a Dualsport organisation for British Columbia to represent us.
 
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Why has your agency decided to issue this advisory and actively pursue the end of converting RUM bikes?



· "Due to inspection liability concerns raised from Designated Inspection Facility Operators and Authorized Inspectors and a sharp increase in safety concerns received from the public and other enforcement agencies regarding these vehicles."

Is this for real? There are people in the public complaining to authorities about the perceived safety of converted RUM bikes? Like what? Your telling me Joe Six-Pack is concerered about whether or not some dualsport bike has DOT approved brake lines?
 
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im buying an 09 KTM450exc tomorrow- the damnGOV.made me do it!!!:Dno worries about licensing as KTM paid off the authorities!![so im told] still gonna keep the ol DR though but who knows??
 
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"Paid off the authorities" Thats really the bottom line here.

As was said before, 06 KTM 450 EXC- RUM bike, unsafe for any road use!!!

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07 KTM 450 EXC- Exact same bike, add some signals,horn, bribe TC with same cake and poof!!!! Street-Legal!! But wait, the graphics have been tested by engineers and are now declared safe for road use.

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Any backyard mechanic can safely add the "street-legal" components, but we can't all pay-off the white collars can we?
 
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so here is a nice street legal u built bike....tell me if the signals are dot? head light? horn? mirrors? side refectors... rear fender meet the height requrements??...oh and the nice tiny led brake light...DOT approved???

how about ground clearance? Muffler??? Chain guard??? what about the nice custom wheels? do they meet transport safety requirements?? were they even tests to see if they can handle the weight? Did an engineer design them?

Problem is the same shops that build these are the same shops that do the inspection....

How do I know? When I wanted my 650r inspected I had to go visit at least 3 places...it seemed they were all too busy to look at my bike and if they did they wanted $500.00 for the inspection...

VSM hadnt gotten their inspection licence at that time...but I do know they would make sure you were 100% propper...were the other shops just wanted $$$



Ii would go there...see wht there views are...they do super moto conversions
 

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spc wrote:
It seems that no one is will to say than they will not buy a helmet that is not certified.  People will not pay $300 for a helmet that is not certified but will pay $8000 for a bike that is not certified.
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I'm willing to say I would not buy a helmet which is not certified. I am also willing to say that I would buy an $8000 bike and ride the crap out of it. My WR450 is a pretty damn stout bike and takes a pounding off road. Jumps, rocky terrain, fast single track, faster double track and FSRs. It handles it all and performs admirably. After what I have beaten it over in the bush a short trip on a paved road is like a nice massage at the end of the night... I'm sure some of the parts are not "Certified" but I don't expect them to fail on a paved road. I expect them to fail at speed blasting down a rough trail. Of course, that doesn't negate the fact that it's still a RUM bike and not certified.

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The whole point of the Bulletin is to have bikes meet a safety standard just like we want a helmet to meet a safety standard.  A helmet that is not certificated may be just as safe as one that is certified.
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Let's be perfectly clear here. The whole point of the bulletin is not to ensure that bikes meet a safety standard. Ok... it does have a safety component, but the government is using that to effectively prevent users of RUM bikes from being able to ever register and insure said bikes. Period.

If the government had any inkling of allowing RUM bikes to ever make it on to the road again the bulletin would allow for users to change the key parts of the bike as required by TC with compliant parts as outlined in the link posted by Fartypants earlier.

I do not disagree with the requirements of TC, I disagree with the policy that an owner cannot replace the applicable parts and in doing so, make their bike compliant. This should not require an engineers stamp, nor should it require a certification process. Allow owners to put DOT certified parts on their bike in place of the OEM non certified parts. When the bike has met the requirements for TC by fitting the DOT approved parts, then require the owner to have a proper inspection done to ensure that the applicable parts are fitted. If it doesn't pass, fine!

This is about not even having the option to be compliant. Not about whether a bike is "certified" or not... This bulletin effectively takes away the option to modify the bike to be compliant.

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Skidmark43 Aren't you a lawyer?? Whats your views Can we do anything about this??
 
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spc wrote:
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It seems that no one is will to say than they will not buy a helmet that is not certified.  People will not pay $300 for a helmet that is not certified but will pay $8000 for a bike that is not certified. 

One reason more bikes are not submitted to TC for approval testing is the high cost of the extensive testing.  IF you could get the same test from the BC government would you be willing to pay several thousand dollars to get you RUM approved?
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I will speak up: I will not buy a helmet that is not certified. I have no way of knowing how safe it is.

I would, however buy an $8k plated RUM for the same reason. All of the added parts have been individually approved by DOT. Based on my trust of "government licencing", I know that they are safe. I know from looking at the very minor differences between different models (DRZs/e/sm for example) that the basic machine is safe even if for marketing purposes the manufacturer didn't originally seek a "for highway use" designation for the bike.

Why does the whole machine have to be inspected at such great expense if all of the parts are DOT and have presumably already passed the tests?

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All this about rider safety? can a backyard mechanic be considered always able to ensure compliance to a standard?

Thinkling about the dark night, raining cats and dogs, coming home way-unconfortable and cold as hell, stopping at the 10th street light and cursing my weather judgement.

In this scenerio do you think the beer soaked booze hound that just left the pub and could care-less about his mucky wiper blades is likly to see those teeny weeny little flush-mounted running light(s) that we so cleaverly paste to our fender ? He can barly see the damn street light!

Blammo, just another hood orniment and a horrible experience for emergency services, friends and family. Not so bad for you, you're dead.

So from here i see compliance is about our safety and is a minimum requirement when the worst is just about to happen.

BTW my bike has poor rear illumination and it complies...gives me an idea...
 
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I am curious I have an 02 ktm 520 and every single part has a dot stamp on it the rims are stamped dot the brake lines stamped dot calipers hubs even the factory front tire was dot ...so now that being said i also bought my bike in the states got the riv sheet did the inspection and walked into the insurance company and insured it so I guess not to argu the point with fancypants but i can say every one of those x on the sheet i can actually say yes my bike has so where does that leave my bike if i get pulled over and a cop sends me to get it inspected ?.....
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How can you prove that your bike meets the Fuel System Integrity??
 
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Most of the posts I see are questioning the legality of home built ubilts. I would agree that many of them do not look very safe. What I don't understand is how you think that helps the fact that Rums do not comply/haven't been tested to the same standards as every other manufactured bike??

The is a huge difference in liability between a manufactured bikeand a "one Of" bike built at home.

To me the rum issue is like speeding everyday at say 120 km/h. Then one day you get stopped and ticketed for doing 105 km/h. Then you argue that " I've been speeding everyday for the last year at 120 km/h and I never got a ticket then"
 
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