Restricted Use Motorcycles (RUM)

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cactusreid

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here's an ironic follow up as well. i just sold my 06 ktm that had been plated/insured from new. i was the second owner. that bike had all of the required dot compliant pieces on it from end to end. now i replaced it with a 07 ktm that comes street legal from factory. this 07 had been plated. but the bike has next to nothing on it as far as street legal requirments go. no signals,no horn,no brakelight switches etc etc. so i could ride it like it is ( but i wont) and the worst they could do to me is ticket me for not having the required pieces. but they could not pull my plate for good. strange world we live in. way back at the start of this thread,we were discussing fuel tanks. the compliant tank on my 07,is exactly the same tank as my non compliant 06!
 
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No dot stamps on the 07 fueltank and no vacum shutoff either. just a plain old manual petcock like everybody runs on a dirtbike (rum style) and i'm pretty sure that i'll be using my oversize a/market tanks-clarke 13l and acerbis 25 l at least part of the time i'm riding. one more item on the total absurdness of this cvse bulletin.
 
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hello all,

this is my first post on this forum...just joined the club and i figured this would be an appropriate place to start.

i'm returning to motorcycling after a twenty-five year absence...yes, i'm that old. my first bikes were big japanese cafe-style road machines. now, i live where logging roads are more common than highways, so i opted for a dirt bike.

after reading this thread in its entirety, i took a calculated risk and purchased a previously plated XR600R. transfer and new plating went off without a hitch just a few days ago. for some reason, the insurance documents only show the year and make of the bike, not the model. the displacement is noted, but according to the paperwork it could be ANY honda 600.

i mentioned a calculated risk; i figure that given my intended use and location, it will be exceptionally infrequent that i will SEE any enforcement officers, let alone be bothered by one.

here's to the future...:hb:
 
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Mtn Escape

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Hey

I hope I don't restart this whole debate on RUM converted bikes. I am looking at purchasing a Dual Sport. One bike I am interested in is a converted RUM already registered and insured. Has anyone had a problem with registration transfer and insuring of these bikes? Does anyone know who I am may contact to ask? Would you guysjust stay away from these?



Thanks for your guys time and knowledge.
 
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Mtn Escape wrote:
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I hope I don't restart this whole debate on RUM converted bikes. I am looking at purchasing a Dual Sport. One bike I am interested in is a converted RUM already registered and insured. Has anyone had a problem with registration transfer and insuring of these bikes? Does anyone know who I am may contact to ask? Would you guysjust stay away from these?



Thanks for your guys time and knowledge.
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http://www.dualsportbc.com/forums/view_topic.php?id=10403&forum_id=32
 
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Thanks, that helped. I did also contact someone at CVSE and this is what he had to say.



The bulletin is a prohibition on the inspection of RUM vehicles and a prohibition on any new registrations. There is no targeting of vehicles already registered nor is there any specific grandfathering provision. I am not able to direct you on ICBC insurance or transfer policies, however, I am not aware of any changes regarding currently registered vehicles.



Regards,




Brian Kangas
Program Coordinator, Vehicle Safety & Standards
CVSE
 
broxy

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flyn said:
It seem our neighbours to the south have the will to FIGHT FOR THEIR RIGHTS to ride RUM ( Beasty Boys)
http://dualsportmoto.ning.com/forum/topics/wooo-whooo

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Lucky guys. It seems there will be a lot of cheap bikes headed for Washington since many States are changing their laws to restrict dual sported off-road motorcycles. It's a shame really, since a Briggs lawnmower or stationary engine has more harmful emissions than a m/c. I am not implying that the issue is entirely emissions, but it is at least a part of the issue.
 
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WayneP

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I have so many questions.....

Has anyone tried getting 'U-built' status on their modified bikes? I would love to get a CR500 on the road, or something similar, or stuff that engine into a project bike. As long as you have all your DOT reqs and have applied for a new VIN # then hopefully there wouldn't be a problem....right? ;)

Then there are the GasGas two strokes that come out of the factory with all the DOT goodies for the European market, but they come off when it hits the Canadian market. I remember a GasGas dealer suggesting to me I should try and get a 'demo' plate for it. I'm not sure how that would help though.

I've also been told that if you import a converted RUM bike from let's say, Washington State, that it will pass inspection.

Finally, is there a final word on grandfathering a RUM bike from one owner to the next? Or is it just pure luck?

I just want to run a 2 stroke moto on the road. It seems so wrong yet so right.

Thanks.
 
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I don't understand how they can make a 230l and sell it as street legal but I couldn't swap parts from the l to make my 230f legal.
 
Floored

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What's going on with ICBC? I keep hearing about, or seeing New plated RUM bikes,........even 2 strokes!? A kid on my island just plated a KX450, and I've recently seen a young-ish Husky wr300 with a plate, and a brand new Beta 300 as well.
Have the laws changed?
 
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Floored said:
What's going on with ICBC? I keep hearing about, or seeing New plated RUM bikes,........even 2 strokes!? A kid on my island just plated a KX450, and I've recently seen a young-ish Husky wr300 with a plate, and a brand new Beta 300 as well.
Have the laws changed?
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Those will be the new off-road vehicle plates. Everybody has to have one on their bike/ATV unless they are riding on private property. They are only good for FSRs and trails - not legal on asphalt.

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So, what happens when you have a street legal Dirt Bike that you take the street insurance off of and you what to ride it off road. Do you get the off-road plate? Then what happens when you want to put street insurance back on it. Do you give back the off road plate?
 
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Rick - the scenario you describe is not possible. Your street legal vehicle is not eligible for the offroad regi plate /decal.

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So, what happens when you have a street legal Dirt Bike that you take the street insurance off of and you what to ride it off road. Do you get the off-road plate? Then what happens when you want to put street insurance back on it. Do you give back the off road plate?
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Those will be the new off-road vehicle plates. Everybody has to have one on their bike/ATV unless they are riding on private property. They are only good for FSRs and trails - not legal on asphalt.

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The bikes I listed are now "Street Legal", and not apart of the OHV registration.
 
twisted-hog

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North said:
So, what happens when you have a street legal Dirt Bike that you take the street insurance off of and you what to ride it off road. Do you get the off-road plate? Then what happens when you want to put street insurance back on it. Do you give back the off road plate?
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I would think as long as you didn't turn in the road plate and keep it on the bike and only purchased the liability insurance you would be okay for FSR, but no asphalt?

Anybody know the rule for kids on dirt bikes? Picked up a used Honda XR100 for the 14 year old daughter 2 months ago, does it need an ORV plate also?
 
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nerrad

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Yes it will need a plate, but from what I read you can't put Liability Insurance on unless the rider is 16 and has a drivers licence!
 
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cactusreid

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overall this new ORV legislation has a lot of holes and common scenarios in it that were never thought of or considered when it was drafted. North's ,and nerrad's examples are just two common examples of situations that were never even given a second thought when this was drawn up. I know probably a dozen guy's around here (many more as you go farther north) Than ride one bike, ie:a street legal dual sport all year or at least 8/9 months of the year, but only plate it for 6 months of the year when the weather is suitable for dual sporting. so now they either have to insure it with ICBC for 12 months, which is a lot more $ than 6 months of insurance, and or under the new laws, they can "convert" it back and forth to and from a ditbike status with an inspection at the owners expense every time they want to re-insure it as a street legal dual sport.
 
twisted-hog

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Liability Insurance & Trail Pass

Liability Insurance & Trail Pass

Okay, so I got my ORV sticker for the bike, now what about Liability insurance?

My auto plan agent is comparing ICBC vs Oasis for liability rates.

I've noticed you can get a BCORMA Platinum Insured Trail Pass linked to the rider not bike specific thru the Oasis website for $170.

Is this what most of you do out there?

Also wondering if it's rider linked insurance for 1,000,000, I guess I could lower or cancel liability on my road bikes?

It's a question I'll ask my broker when I get my quote.
 
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