JavaJude
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This affects me so I'd like to know where to find that section in the L&R.
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Bill 13 Off Road Vehicle Act for BC
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This affects me so I'd like to know where to find that section in the L&R.
offworlder
Moderator
This provision to "flat foot" an off road bike is particularly idiotic. Not only is this near impossible, due to the bike design (adequate clearance, travel, etc..) and average rider size, but COMPLETELY UNNECESSARY.
You think Gaston Rahier could flat foot his bike ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaston_Rahier
You think Gaston Rahier could flat foot his bike ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaston_Rahier
North
Active member
First they came for the Dirt Riders, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Dirt Rider.
Then they came for the ATV Riders, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a ATV Rider.
Then they came for the Rum Bike Riders, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Rum Bike Rider.
Then they came for me, a DualSport Rider--and there was no one left to speak for me.
You know, there are a few People that I know who give so much to Riding and Tom is right up at the Top of the list.
Dear Mr. Supermoto,
Tom does not need me or anyone else to speak for him, but this is just getting silly now. I have been on the this site for seven years and in that seven years I have seen Tom give so much time, sweat and money to this sport it's not funny. Your criticisms of the Man are unfounded.
I mean no offense to you and you portray a person who cares about the Sport too.
Sincerely
Rick
Because I was not a Dirt Rider.
Then they came for the ATV Riders, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a ATV Rider.
Then they came for the Rum Bike Riders, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Rum Bike Rider.
Then they came for me, a DualSport Rider--and there was no one left to speak for me.
You know, there are a few People that I know who give so much to Riding and Tom is right up at the Top of the list.
Dear Mr. Supermoto,
Tom does not need me or anyone else to speak for him, but this is just getting silly now. I have been on the this site for seven years and in that seven years I have seen Tom give so much time, sweat and money to this sport it's not funny. Your criticisms of the Man are unfounded.
I mean no offense to you and you portray a person who cares about the Sport too.
Sincerely
Rick
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skidmark43
Administrator / BFF in the blue jacket
Don't feed the Troll.
Victoria Supermoto
New member
Very well put!
And I dont know the guy. I just know him from this interaction but Ill take your word on that.
Victoria Supermoto
New member
Bora20
Administrator
Snowmobiles and boats are already registered. Why is this suck a hard pill for some to swallow? Pay your $49, move on with your day.
Bora20
Administrator
Hey, I might resemble that remark! I just lowered it an inch, still can't touch well with both feet
Damn I am sure glad I have a plate...
farmerger
Member
Nope, cause its not there. But this fear mongering among ourselves sure isn't helping.
Division 2 — Operation of Off-Road Vehicles
[h=4]Operation of off-road vehicles[/h]17 (1) A person must not use or operate an off-road vehicle on Crown land or prescribed private land(a) in a careless, reckless or negligent manner that may endanger or cause injury to persons or damage to property, or
(b) in such a manner as to harass, run over, injure or kill wildlife, livestock or a domestic animal.
(2) A person must not use or operate an off-road vehicle
(a) on the tracks of an operating railway, or
(b) on private land without the consent of the owner, lessee or occupant of the private land.
(3) A person who holds a permit issued under this Act must comply with the terms, limits and conditions of the permit.
[h=4]Safety helmet[/h]18 (1) A person must not use or operate, or ride as a passenger on, an off-road vehicle on Crown land or prescribed private land if the person is not wearing an off-road vehicle safety helmet that
(a) is designated in the regulations as an approved off-road vehicle safety helmet, or
(b) meets the prescribed standards and specifications for off-road vehicle safety helmets.
(2) A person who uses or operates an off-road vehicle on Crown land or prescribed private land must not permit another person under 16 years of age to ride as a passenger on the off-road vehicle in contravention of subsection (1).
[h=4]Lighting and illumination[/h]19 A person must not use or operate an off-road vehicle on Crown land or prescribed private land from 1/2 hour after sunset to 1/2 hour before sunrise or at any other time when, due to insufficient light or unfavourable atmospheric conditions, objects are not clearly discernible at a distance specified by regulation unless all of the following apply:
(a) the off-road vehicle carries all lamps, reflectors and other illuminating devices required by the regulations;
(b) all of the required lamps, reflectors and other illuminating devices are maintained in good working order and in accordance with any requirements specified by regulation;
(c) all of the required lamps and other illuminating devices are illuminated.
[h=4]Supervising adult[/h]20 A person 19 years of age or older must not authorize or permit another person under 16 years of age
(a) to use or operate an off-road vehicle contrary to section 17 (1) (a) or (b) or (2) (a) or (b), 18 (1) or 19, or
(b) to contravene, if the other person holds a permit issued under this Act, a term, limit or condition of the permit.
kenf
New member
On the subject of fear mongering, some of the earlier posts seemed to imply there would be issues with kids riding under the new rules, but from my reading, all this says is that you can't let your kid be a dumbass any more than you are allowed to be a dumbass yourself. Seems pretty reasonable to me. Kids still won't be allowed on FSR's -- but they never were, so that's not a change. I'm with Tom (and others) on this one, blown well out of proportion.
And BTW, is "Victoria Supermoto" a dude or a chick? Bitchy attitude aside, I keep reading that as "Victoria Supermodel" and can't help but think of lingerie catalogs. If you're a dude, you might want to think about a slightly manlier handle
KF
skidmark43
Administrator / BFF in the blue jacket
And BTW, is "Victoria Supermoto" a dude or a chick? Bitchy attitude aside, I keep reading that as "Victoria Supermodel" and can't help but think of lingerie catalogs. If you're a dude, you might want to think about a slightly manlier handle
KF
Yikes. Calvin is indeed a manly man & involved in (and organizer of) the manly sport of supermotard / supermoto racing. That's why the 'tard handle a few posts back wasn't the insult you might otherwise have imagined...
drifter dave
Member
Is it going to cost $49 dollars to pay purchase taxes on your dirtbike?
Oh yes, my bike was $490 - (needed a new motor).
Oh yes, my bike was $490 - (needed a new motor).
That's what I thought. I knew the whole lighting and under 16 rumors going around were bull crap but I still could not find anything in the bill that comes close to saying that you have to be able to flat foot on the bike.
Interesting to watch people jump to conclusions on this one.
RUM bikes are identified by Transport Canada pretty clearly (here, if you're wondering) to include all competition motorcycles. That would include MX bikes (ie: non-street legal dirtbikes), trials bikes, "play bikes" aka trail bikes. I don't think VicSumo is at all out of line in suggesting that those motorcycles fall squarely into this legislation. The bike that I ride in hare scrambles is one of these. Hare scrambles take place on the same land that this legislation covers. I think these are questions that need to be answered. To clarify, my race bike doesn't have a headlight, isn't registered, I don't have proof of paying tax on it, etc, etc... It is exactly what this legislation is about.
As for the flat-footed thing, I actually saw that on facebook, in a discussion about this, with the pres of BCCORMA. I've since gone looking for that conversation and I actually can't find it anymore. It might have sunk to the bottom of a page, or it may have since been deleted.
I'm personally REALLY disappointed in the way BCORMA has not informed, educated, or asked it's members about this legislation. As an organization that wants to be the lobby group and the voice of off-road riders, they're sure not doing much talking or listening to the actual off-road riders. The BCORMA newsletter hasn't done anything to discuss the issue at all, and no messaging or polls have gone out to the members at all. As I said, I'm a member in good standing, but I do question what they're doing for me as an off-road rider.
As for the flat-footed thing, I actually saw that on facebook, in a discussion about this, with the pres of BCCORMA. I've since gone looking for that conversation and I actually can't find it anymore. It might have sunk to the bottom of a page, or it may have since been deleted.
I'm personally REALLY disappointed in the way BCORMA has not informed, educated, or asked it's members about this legislation. As an organization that wants to be the lobby group and the voice of off-road riders, they're sure not doing much talking or listening to the actual off-road riders. The BCORMA newsletter hasn't done anything to discuss the issue at all, and no messaging or polls have gone out to the members at all. As I said, I'm a member in good standing, but I do question what they're doing for me as an off-road rider.
motogirl
I agree with your understanding of RUM bikes, they will fall under this legislation. Racing such as the hare scramble series, is the expertise of the PNWMA Pacific Northwest Motorcycle Association. The PNWMA works and sits on the BCORMA Board, they should be able to provide you with some sort of definitive answers.
My understanding of how this will affect the racing is,
As many of you racers also use your bike for recreational riding on trails and FSRs outside of an event I would think that you definitely fall under the legislation. I see no provisions under the legislation that excludes racing or racers from complying with the rules. Im not sure if trying to get an exclusion from the new R&L legislation because you are racers would be a good idea, you might find yourself and your sport in the government cross hairs and we all know thats not a good place to be.
I would expect that the PNWMA is working on this as we speak and you will see new rules for the 2015 season.
About BCORMAs involvement in R&L
This has been discussed several times, on this and other sites like quads.ca. As past president I know that BCORMA has a huge communications problem (they have no structure in place for communication) While sitting on the board we all agreed that BCORMA had to get the message out in a timely and accurate manner. BCORMA never got a communications plan together and it appears they still have not done much on that front. BCORMA is run by Club Volunteers (who are probably stretched to the limit with their own clubs activities). With lackluster support for the Volunteer Trail Pass Program, there is little money to get much done. But then if you dont have a plan and dont get out there and sell it, what would you expect?
Some years ago BCORMA and the PNWMA agreed to work together but all aspects of Racing would fall under the PNWMA Banner and Recreational riding would be BCORMAs job. The PNWMA also sits on the BCORMA Board so they are as informed as much as anyone can be with the activities of BCORMA.
My understanding is that BCORMAs Executive Director sits on the Joint Advisory Group JAG for R&L but is sworn to secrecy by a confidentiality agreement. He claims he can not make any comments because of this agreement.
Here is that confidentiality agreement
I agree with your understanding of RUM bikes, they will fall under this legislation. Racing such as the hare scramble series, is the expertise of the PNWMA Pacific Northwest Motorcycle Association. The PNWMA works and sits on the BCORMA Board, they should be able to provide you with some sort of definitive answers.
My understanding of how this will affect the racing is,
- You are using (racing) on crown land with trails, so you will need a registered and licenced motorcycle
- If the race uses any FSRs you will need to carry proof of insurance (not sure if the promoters race insurance will cover you) I am also not sure how the permissions work for using sections of FSR for racing ie closing roads and insurance requirements for the event, racers.
- You will not have to attach lights unless you intend to ride at night
As many of you racers also use your bike for recreational riding on trails and FSRs outside of an event I would think that you definitely fall under the legislation. I see no provisions under the legislation that excludes racing or racers from complying with the rules. Im not sure if trying to get an exclusion from the new R&L legislation because you are racers would be a good idea, you might find yourself and your sport in the government cross hairs and we all know thats not a good place to be.
I would expect that the PNWMA is working on this as we speak and you will see new rules for the 2015 season.
About BCORMAs involvement in R&L
This has been discussed several times, on this and other sites like quads.ca. As past president I know that BCORMA has a huge communications problem (they have no structure in place for communication) While sitting on the board we all agreed that BCORMA had to get the message out in a timely and accurate manner. BCORMA never got a communications plan together and it appears they still have not done much on that front. BCORMA is run by Club Volunteers (who are probably stretched to the limit with their own clubs activities). With lackluster support for the Volunteer Trail Pass Program, there is little money to get much done. But then if you dont have a plan and dont get out there and sell it, what would you expect?
Some years ago BCORMA and the PNWMA agreed to work together but all aspects of Racing would fall under the PNWMA Banner and Recreational riding would be BCORMAs job. The PNWMA also sits on the BCORMA Board so they are as informed as much as anyone can be with the activities of BCORMA.
My understanding is that BCORMAs Executive Director sits on the Joint Advisory Group JAG for R&L but is sworn to secrecy by a confidentiality agreement. He claims he can not make any comments because of this agreement.
Here is that confidentiality agreement
motorgirl
After my long response i missed your question, I think you only have to worry if you bike was brought in as a "Competition" or "Closed Course" only bike. It should be identified on your compliance decal on the steering head. Of course I have not read the entire legislation but I don't recall seeing anything about these types of bikes.
Hopefully your bike has a RUM designation decal and you will be good to go
T
After my long response i missed your question, I think you only have to worry if you bike was brought in as a "Competition" or "Closed Course" only bike. It should be identified on your compliance decal on the steering head. Of course I have not read the entire legislation but I don't recall seeing anything about these types of bikes.
Hopefully your bike has a RUM designation decal and you will be good to go
T