Bill 13 Off Road Vehicle Act for BC

[tomcycle]

New boards and new presidents have new ideas.

I have sent an email to Ken with a link to this thread and specifically asked for a response to the Closed Course Competition only bikes I invited BCORMA to participate in this discussion. I suggested if BCORMA does not want to participate in this forum that they post some answers on the BCORMA site and I will gladly place the links from DSBC to the BCORMA site. I also suggested that BCORMA should update their site in regards to L&R.

So it up to BCORMA on how they wish to respond. BCORMA just finished is AGM this past weekend so it might take some time for them to respond. We can only hope that some of these clubs are asking the same questions

Here is a list of BCORMA member clubs that sit on the board (according to BCORMA site), I have checked these sites and found nothing official on L&R on any of these club sites (funny BCORMA site still lists me as President)

Blue Mountain Motorcycle Club

Canada Pacific Trials Association


Cascade Off-Road Motorcycle Club


Fraser Valley Dirt Riders Association


Greater Kamloops Motorcycle Association


Greater Vancouver Motorcycle Club


Mid-Island Dirt Riders Club (MIDR)


Northern Dirt Riders


Okanagan Trail Riders Association


Pacific Northwest Motorcycle Association


Penticton Off-Road Motorcycle Club II


Quesnel Cross-Country Motorcycle Association


Revy Riders


Shuswap Off-Road Enthusiasts Society (SORES)


Southern Okanagan Dirt Riders Association (SODBC)


Squamish Dirt Bikers Association


Vernon Off-Road Motorcycle Club


Victoria Motorcycle Club


West Kootenay Motorcycle and ATV Association


Williams Lake Off-Road Motorcycle Association


West Coast Dirt Riders


Whiskey Creek Racing Association


Yukon Cross Country Motorcycle Association

 

[tomcycle]

Just got the latest from BCORMA AGM

[h=1]BCORMA AGM[/h]Submitted by KPMacker on June 2, 2014 - 09:48



Hi everybody, I just want to thank all the great BCORMA volunteers that attended the BCORMA AGM at OK Falls this past weekend, hosted by Mike Fetterer of South Okanagan Dirt Bike Club. Great weather, good company, awesome food (thanks to chef Ed Alder particularly, from Squamish Dirt Bike Association.) We had a productive AGM, and good discussions around the ORV legislative framework, proposed regulations, and the recently formed Back Country Power Sports Coalition. We are working with ATV/BC, BC Snowmobile Fed and ABC Snow on projects of mutual benefit and interest including but not limited to an outreach program to introduce new riders to the various off-road motorized sports, and insuring that trail networks remain open, as well as trying to secure funding for trails maintenance and enhancement. Your new Executive is Wally Klammer Treasurer, David Lock Secretary, Tom Adlington VP and Ken McClelland President, along with Executive Director Peter Sprague. Please feel free to contact any of us either through FB or the BCORMA website if you have any questions or comments. Thee camp-out idea worked great, and we plan to use a similar format next year at Bear Creek, hosted by the OTRA with a likely date of May 30-31. Thanks, stay in touch!

http://bcorma.ca/node/1516

 

[tomcycle]

Here is the definitions of Closed Course Competion from the Transport Canada point of view.

A competition vehicle is a vehicle that is designed exclusively for use in closed course competition. It must bear a label affixed by the manufacturer stating that the vehicle is a competition vehicle for use exclusively in closed-course competition. Other conditions may also apply.


Transport Canada does not consider a restricted-use motorcycle (dirt bike or ATV) designed for off-road use as a competition vehicle. We do not recognize an off -road environment to be a closed course competition environment.


Also, a vehicle that has been modified for racing is NOT a competition vehicle and must meet importation requirements for the vehicle’s original class to which it belongs (ex: car, truck or motorcycle)

http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/motorvehiclesafety/safevehicles-importation-1344.htm

 

[Victoria Supermoto]

Dual Sport BC British Columbia wide;
Contact: Tom Timmerman, President - BCORMAI think they need to update

 

[tomcycle]

Dual Sport BC British Columbia wide;
Contact: Tom Timmerman, President - BCORMAI think they need to update

Yup its old info. DSBC is listed as a member club but DSBC does not have anyone sitting on the BCORMA Board of Directors at this time.

 

[Victoria Supermoto]

I dont thing the VMC does ether last I know they dont have anything to do with BCCORMA.

 

[North]

BCORMA AGM

Submitted by KPMacker on June 2, 2014 - 09:48

Hi everybody, I just want to thank all the great BCORMA volunteers that attended the BCORMA AGM at OK Falls this past weekend, hosted by Mike Fetterer of South Okanagan Dirt Bike Club. Great weather, good company, awesome food (thanks to chef Ed Alder particularly, from Squamish Dirt Bike Association.) We had a productive AGM, and good discussions around the ORV legislative framework, proposed regulations, and the recently formed Back Country Power Sports Coalition. We are working with ATV/BC, BC Snowmobile Fed and ABC Snow on projects of mutual benefit and interest including but not limited to an outreach program to introduce new riders to the various off-road motorized sports, and insuring that trail networks remain open, as well as trying to secure funding for trails maintenance and enhancement. Your new Executive is Wally Klammer Treasurer, David Lock Secretary, Tom Adlington VP and Ken McClelland President, along with Executive Director Peter Sprague. Please feel free to contact any of us either through FB or the BCORMA website if you have any questions or comments. Thee camp-out idea worked great, and we plan to use a similar format next year at Bear Creek, hosted by the OTRA with a likely date of May 30-31. Thanks, stay in touch!

Wow, I am glad to read that the weather was good!


"So much for a "non-resident" coming up here to ride for a day off-road on a Dirt Bike."

"Section 3.1.16 - You pay, you play."

My point is that some-one who comes up from outside of BC on the weekend to ride is not going to find ICBC open or know the law. Maybe you can get the permit at an Auto Plan Insurance Agent. But I have no idea.

I have always thought that BC should be a Dirt Bike Mecca. It could be great for Business and Riders.

 

[Victoria Supermoto]

I have always thought that BC should be a Dirt Bike Mecca. It could be great for Business and Riders.

Welcome to BC! Ahem You did bring cash right?

 

[tomcycle]

Some good news from BCORMA (Thanks Ken)

According to the FLNRO Manager responsible for ORV's, vehicles labelled Closed Course Competition Only can and will be registerable under the ORV legislation. They want people to be able to ride, not have to jump through a bunch of hoops. More details, are not available but will follow, that is the short story as of today.

What still remains is the issue of taxes paid, but that has nothing to do with Bill 13, it will be between you and the taxman.

 

[DirtClunker]

My point is that some-one who comes up from outside of BC on the weekend to ride is not going to find ICBC open or know the law. Maybe you can get the permit at an Auto Plan Insurance Agent. But I have no idea.

Too bad. They have to look up the laws ahead of time or take the risk. I have had to buy a sticker or some kind of permit for everywhere else why not here? I have had to do it for Alberta, Oregon, Arizona, Utah, Calif. I am sure there are lots of other provinces and states that require it but I just haven't been there. Mind you, I plan ahead, so had the stickers mailed ahead of time. For Oregon I even had to take a test and get an offroad license plus a permit.

 

[DirtClunker]

I dont thing the VMC does ether last I know they dont have anything to do with BCCORMA.

Andy James was the VMC rep for BCORMA, but he no longer is (probably just too busy organizing races and trying to enjoy riding!). It would be nice if the BCORMA at least sent updates to VMC, and VMC distributed the updates to its members. Personally I never heard a thing about the new law and BCORMA's part in it, nor the new off road coalition through the VMC.

I suppose for a change to happen it will need someone to get off their ass and chat with VMC and BCORMA or become the rep. It ain't going to be me because I am too effin lazy and dont really care. Its easier to type on the keyboard and bitch about it on a forum.

 

[motogirl]

Andy was at the BCORMA AGM this weekend. He's still part of BCORMA, but not through the VMC, through VIDRA (Vancouver Island Dirt Riders Association) the folks who put on the VIHSS hare scramble series.

 

[tomcycle]

Too bad. They have to look up the laws ahead of time or take the risk. I have had to buy a sticker or some kind of permit for everywhere else why not here? I have had to do it for Alberta, Oregon, Arizona, Utah, Calif. I am sure there are lots of other provinces and states that require it but I just haven't been there. Mind you, I plan ahead, so had the stickers mailed ahead of time. For Oregon I even had to take a test and get an offroad license plus a permit.

I have ridden in many areas as well and always check to see the regulations for off road use long before I go. many areas have reciprocal agreements regarding R&L, just like your BC registration is good in Washington. so when you buy in one area of the country it is good in other areas. IE Montana was glad to accept my BCORMA Trail Pass. Just the same I reached into my wallet and purchased an off road permit for Montana, why? because the proceeds went to OHV use. I would be suprised if you can find a state that does not have some kind of Off Road regulations that require a permit

T

 

[tomcycle]

It ain't going to be me because I am too effin lazy and dont really care. Its easier to type on the keyboard and bitch about it on a forum.

How many times have I thought that to myself, but them I am glad that there are people that will get off their effin arse and do something. If its going to cost me a few dollars so I dont have to get involved, so be it, send me a donation form.

T

 

[Victoria Supermoto]

So that's it nothing? Wow people just don't give two fucks about whats going on. Do people not understand that competition use labeled bike wont be aloud to be ridden in the bush except for sanctioned events? or is it just more fun to try to troll me and ignore whats going on?

 

[skidmark43]

Nice to have you back & posting, Calvin.

Nice to have you back & posting, Calvin.

• Get your facts straight. This has been a challenge for many of the participants in this discussion (and you most particularly) thus far.
• Offer some solutions / meaningful action items. Keep in mind that the 'horse has left the barn'; the input / review stages occured during the past 5+ years prior to this legislation having been written & passed.
• Grow the fuck up. Post #69 was the first trolling exercise where you asserted that Tom fucked everything up.

Thank you.

So that's it nothing? Wow people just don't give two fucks about whats going on. Do people not understand that competition use labeled bike wont be aloud to be ridden in the bush except for sanctioned events? or is it just more fun to try to troll me and ignore whats going on?

 

[Victoria Supermoto]

Geeze having a bad day or something? Seems it can get said to me but I had better not say it back yeesh. The "facts I cant seem to grasp" are from the bill and what has been stated here. Tom fucking things up sure he was the president at the time of this going through was he not? The points that I am bringing up are valid when I asked a question it was answered with attitude and dismissed with equal attitude. From what I can understand I asked questions in a section marked "Proposed-Off-Road-Vehicle-Act-for-BC" and nothing would get answered. I have since asked others the same questions and am getting mixed answers. I ask simple things like Such as Competition use only bikes no longer being allowed to be ridden in the bush, speed limits, safety officers, impounds, flat footing a bike, age issues, lighting, signals, paying fees to BCORMA, impounding bikes, plating bikes, BCORMA’S relationship with ICBC, Where funds are going, How are funds being actually used, is the board self appointed or is it a voted on thing and much more. I get nothing but attitude and name calling for answers unless I push it.

 

[tomcycle]

VS, you don't have to push it, as there are no definitive answers, we now have to wait for the details. Mark is right, the horse is gone and the gate is still open.

I still don't know how I as President of BCORMA had fucked this up. This was not a BCORMA initiative, if you spent the time reading you will find that the legislation was pushed by the Coroners Office. to many kids dieing and ATVBC. The only input that BCORMA had was to appoint two people to represent off road motorcycle interests on the Joint Advisory Group. Those two people where Ken McCLelland and Peter Sprague. Ken M is the current President of BCORMA and Peter S is still the current Executive Director. These two representatives signed a confidentiality agreement with the government, to date neither of these two guys have broken that agreement, particularly with me. So the extent of my involvement was to agree to having these two be involved with the Joint Advisory Group. Neither of these two guys ever reported to BCORMA on the details of what the JAG was up too. They did complain on several occasions that some of the discussions that the JAG was having was way off base, but they could not and did not elabourate.

So to clarify to everyone,

BCORMAs Board of Directors (clubs) appointed two people to sit on the JAG

BCORMA and its BoDs could not advise these appointees as the BCORMA BoDs did not receive any reports (as per confidentiality agreement)

BCORMA had no involvement with the writing of the final Act.

While as President of BCORMA I and most of the BCORMA BoDs supported the concept of Licencing and Registration. I can tell you what we supported and what has been presented is not the same thing. For more details you can request minutes from the BCORMA meetings.

BCORMA never received one red cent for it involvement with the JAG (yet we still paid our Executive Director to attend)

BCORMA has never received any money from any level of government, BCORMA is poorly funded by industry and your purchases of Trail Passed


Tom Timmerman
Former President of BCORMA

 

[joker650]

Geeze having a bad day or something? Seems it can get said to me but I had better not say it back yeesh. The "facts I cant seem to grasp" are from the bill and what has been stated here. Tom fucking things up sure he was the president at the time of this going through was he not? The points that I am bringing up are valid when I asked a question it was answered with attitude and dismissed with equal attitude. From what I can understand I asked questions in a section marked "Proposed-Off-Road-Vehicle-Act-for-BC" and nothing would get answered. I have since asked others the same questions and am getting mixed answers. I ask simple things like Such as Competition use only bikes no longer being allowed to be ridden in the bush, speed limits, safety officers, impounds, flat footing a bike, age issues, lighting, signals, paying fees to BCORMA, impounding bikes, plating bikes, BCORMA’S relationship with ICBC, Where funds are going, How are funds being actually used, is the board self appointed or is it a voted on thing and much more. I get nothing but attitude and name calling for answers unless I push it.

A few really good questions in that post :ted:

...although not sure what Flat footing a bike is..

 

[skidmark43]

A few really good questions in that post :ted:

...although not sure what Flat footing a bike is..

OK Greg, you've had my respect for years; now you have my attention.

Thus far this guy seemed to be a troll, but if you think he should be taken seriously, maybe we can help VicSuMo by organizing the questions...

1. Competition use only bikes no longer being allowed to be ridden in the bush
2. speed limits
3. safety officers
4. impounds, impounding bikes
5. flat footing a bike
6. age issues
7. lighting
8. signals
9. paying fees to BCORMA
10. plating bikes
11. BCORMA’S relationship with ICBC
12. Where funds are going
13. How are funds being actually used
14. is the board self appointed or is it a voted on thing
15. and much more