Harrison > Seton > Boston Bar Dirt Trip

[Phoenix]

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I've been surprised by the length fellow dualsporters will go through to reach a destination, however this trip was planned as basicallya C ride to enjoy the views and not a workout hauling big bikes over amazing obstacles. As Farp mentioned arecon trip might be in order just for the heck of it. I'm interested in salvaging the trip with an altered route whether it be up and down the East side or an alternate back trip with the Othello tunnels(not sure if this is their correct name), as little pavement as possible and some other FSR's or whatever we can come up with. Lets do some research and see what happens.

Cheers, Alex.

 

[zeddy]

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I would be up for an alternate route, I already booked a room and got permission from the warden, plus the time is already booked off. Is there any trail that crosses over to the coq?
Up above Boston Bar. Kerry you comming?

 

[Farp]

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I've heard of the Othello tunnels. I'm not sure where they are but if they could be a part of this trip I'd really be interested in riding them. My understanding was they were around the Coq.

I was surfing for Nicoamen and Mowhokam FSRs and came across a post on this site made by Roadane. He took that route last year and wrote an excellent report on it. The Nicoamen/Mowhokam route looks very interesting.

I don't think this ride is done yet; not by a long shot. If we can't make it up West Harrison we'll go somewhere else that's just as good. OK, guys, let's get on it and figure out how we're gonna do this.

I gotta see for myself what this washout/roadblock looks like. Anybody want to ride up West Harrison this comming Sunday?

John

 

[zeddy]

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Farp wrote:

I've heard of the Othello tunnels. I'm not sure where they are but if they could be a part of this trip I'd really be interested in riding them. My understanding was they were around the Coq.

I was surfing for Nicoamen and Mowhokam FSRs and came across a post on this site made by Roadane. He took that route last year and wrote an excellent report on it. The Nicoamen/Mowhokam route looks very interesting.

I don't think this ride is done yet; not by a long shot. If we can't make it up West Harrison we'll go somewhere else that's just as good. OK, guys, let's get on it and figure out how we're gonna do this.

I gotta see for myself what this washout/roadblock looks like. Anybody want to ride up West Harrison this comming Sunday?

John

I think I know where the tunnels you are talking about, you go in at the toll both on the coq and come out at the othello exit.

 

[tmurrayis]

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I gotta see for myself what this washout/roadblock looks like. Anybody want to ride up West Harrison this comming Sunday?

John

I may be able to shake free. The weather is supposed to improve by then as well.

Ted

 

[eagleguy]

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option! we do harrison east to boston bar, up the #1hwy only 6+ km and go in on N. Ainsle Creek FSR ( page 24 back rds book) to Mohwokam and out at ( page 33 )Nicomen a few Km above Lytton .I did this a few years ago, about 25 k of dirt. Take #1 back to Lytton, go north on Botanie creek fsr ( page 42 ) to N. Laluwissin and Hat creek to the 99 north of Pavilion, then slab to Lillooett.

Or from N. Laluwissin, turn south and come out on the hwy 12 and go a ways and get on the Fountian valley FSR ( page 32 )north to Lillooett

Day 2 Texas creek , Westside and back to East Harrison as original plan

 

[westcoast]

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Just read the bad news. I thought I would list out the options: (I have edited it to add in Eagle Guy options)

Option #1. Abandon the West Harrison portion and substitute it with the Sea to Sky to Mount Currie. (Smaller bikes could be droped off by truck at Pemberton) Continue to Seaton Portage and on as planned in original route.

Option #2. Sea toSky to Pemberton the up the Hurly river to Bralorne, Gold Bridge. Continue thru to Tyaughton Lake and down Marshall Lake Road to Lillooet. Second half as planned.

Option #3. UpEastHarrison to Nahatlatch then up through Texas Creek and on Lillooet. Continue north (Hwy 99) to Pavilion thendown to Hat Creek Road andUpper Hat Creek. Continuesouth down Laluwisson RoadandBotanie Creek Road to just north of Lytton.From there, head east on Hwy. 1 to the Nicoemen River turnoff. Head south and pop out north of Boston Bar. Up thethe Nahatlatch and back down the East Harrison.

Option #4. Same as Option 3 to Spences Bridge, except down to Merritt on Hwy 8 then the Old Coldwater Road, Shovelnose Mountain, Brookmere, Tulameen, west along Lawless Creek Road and back down the Coquialla to Hope. I doubt that the Othello Tunnels is an option because there are missing bridges between the tunnels.

Option #5. Stay with original plan and figure something out.


Option #6.We do harrison east to boston bar, up the #1hwy only 6+ km and go in on N. Ainsle Creek FSR ( page 24 back rds book) to Mohwokam and out at ( page 33 )Nicomen a few Km above Lytton . (Eagle guy did this a few years ago) about 25 k of dirt. Take #1 back to Lytton, go north on Botanie creek fsr ( page 42 ) to N. Laluwissin and Hat creek to the 99 north of Pavilion, then slab to Lillooett. Day 2 Texas creek , Westside and back to East Harrison as original plan.

Option #7. Same as Option #6 except, from N. Laluwissin, turn south and come out on the hwy 12 and go a ways and get on the Fountian valley FSR ( page 32 )north to Lillooett. Day 2 Texas creek , Westside and back to East Harrison as original plan

Anyway, I would definetly like to keep this alive somehow. Let me know what you guys thnk of my options. Variations maybe?


Bryn

 

[The Count]

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zeddy wrote:

I would be up for an alternate route, I already booked a room and got permission from the warden, plus the time is already booked off. Is there any trail that crosses over to the coq?
Up above Boston Bar. Kerry you comming?

I'mdefinitely in for an alternate route as long as there isn't too much pavement involved, sounds like some pretty good ideas are already floating around.

Kerry

 

[westcoast]

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Its going to get confusing so it might help us to refer to my option lists above and propose variations to the option numbers.

Bryn

 

[Farp]

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Well it seems one thing is certain - west Harrison or not this ride is definitely ON! Alex, Bryn, Steve, and Ted you've made some excellent suggestions, for sure we'll be able to piece together a great ride from what you've come up with. Many, many, thanks. I'll spend tomorrow plotting these routes and I'll post them up for everyone to see. Once we see them in map form we'll be in a better postion to decide how we want to put this ride back together.

John

 

[Old Phart]

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Another route to keep in mind:

Pemberton - Darcy - Seton Portage - Lillooet - East side of Harrison.

 

[westcoast]

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This is a good alternative and is basically what is intended in Option #1

So I have revised Option #1 to make itclearer

Bryn

 

[Farp]

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Unfortunately trucking my bike to Pemberton would mean that we have to wind up there at the end of day two. Otherwise I'd have to get my wife to come with me to Pemberton so she can drive the truck home and then drive the truck to our destination at the end of day 2 and wait for us. Uhmmm.......... that's not gonna happen.

I just got my DVD copy of BCbackroad Mapbook in the mail today I've installed it and it looks great. I'll plot all the options with colour coding, take a screen shot and post it and we can decide where we want to go.

John

 

[Farp]

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Steve and Bryn both made excellent suggestions for alternate routes for this trip. Two of the routes that Bryn suggested were the same as the two that Steve proposed. These routes had the least pavement mileage.

Here are the routes that Steve proposed:

The green track shows all of day two and the start of day one. Day one continues with the blue track moving north to hwy 99 and then south to Lillooet. The cyan track is an option for day one. Here is a brief description of the tracks:

option! we do harrison east to boston bar, up the #1 hwy only 6+ km and go in on N. Ainsle Creek FSR ( page 24 back rds book) to Mohwokam and out at (page 33) Nicomen a few Km above Lytton . I did this a few years ago, about 25 k of dirt. Take #1 back to Lytton, go north on Botanie creek fsr ( page 42 ) to N. Laluwissin and Hat creek to the 99 north of Pavilion, then slab to Lillooett. Or from N. Laluwissin, turn south and come out on the hwy 12 and go a ways and get on the Fountian valley FSR ( page 32 ) north to Lillooett Day 2 Texas creek , Westside and back to East Harrison as original plan

Bryn offered seven interesting options. Unfortunately, options one and two required trucking my bike to Pemberton and that's not really an option for me, and his options 6 and 7 were the same ones that Steve suggested. His fifth option was to see if the original plan could be made to work - and I wouldn't rule that out completely. Steve and I are going to take a look at the Harrison washout this Sunday to see if there's any possible way around it, anybody else who wants to join us is more than welcome. Bryn's options 3 and 4 look very interesting but they both have significantly more pavement time. Here are his routes:

Day one is shown in green. Day two options are shown in blue and magenta. Here's the description:

Option #3. Up East Harrison to Nahatlatch then up through Texas Creek and on Lillooet. Continue north to Pavilion then south east to Spence Bridge. Down Hwy 1 to Nicomen River Road and pop out north of Boston Bar. Head west to the Nahatlatch and back down the East Harrison.

Option #4. Same as Option 3 to Spences Bridge, except down to Merritt on Hwy 8 then the Old Coldwater Road, Shovelnose Mountain, Brookmere, Tulameen, west along Lawless Creek Road and back down the Coquialla to Hope. I doubt that the Othello Tunnels is an option because there are missing bridges between the tunnels.

There's some great riding coming up regardless of what option we choose so let us know what you think. Once we've reached a consensus I'll post the GPX tracks for you to download.

John

 

[eagleguy]

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That is really fine work John. I prefer the options with the least slab. I guess the proper thing to do is somehow find out if the FSR roads on my suggestions are open. Or we can just go for the adventure and take what comes at us! thanks

 

[eagleguy]

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I have read Bryn's options and like #3. The only thing is too much slab from Pavilion to spences bridge. Bryn, have you riden any of the Hat Creek/ Onion lake dirt? This will eliminate lots of pavement to lytton. Then we go Uphill on the Nicoemen fsr as it is about 10 k of climbing and I think I would like that better than my route which was going down it. I think we are making great progress, since the re routing only started yesterday.

Alex, have you got any thoughts as to the Hat creek area, did you do any of that on the Dead zone?

 

[Phoenix]

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Haven't had a chance to digest all the info yet, but things are looking good for the ride one way or the other(no pun intended). The Hat creek portion of the Deadzone C ride is fine(not pavement), just gotta look at some maps to put it in perspective for the proposed route(s).

Cheers, Alex.

 

[westcoast]

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Steve, I think Option #3 is good too. If we assume that we can ride from Pavillion down to Hat Creek Road thenthru Upper Hat Creek andhead east along Murray Creek Road to Spences Bridge. From there, head south on Hwy. 1 to the Nicoemen River turnoff.

I have never ridden the Murray Creek Road, but they said at the Deadzone last year that you can get thru to Hat Creek this way.

This is a good option because it only involves about 15 minutes on Hwy 1 from Spences Bridge south.

Bryn

 

[skidmark43]

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westcoast wrote:

Steve, I think Option #3 is good too. If we assume that we can ride from Pavillion down to Hat Creek Road thenthru Upper Hat Creek andhead east along Murray Creek Road to Spences Bridge. From there, head south on Hwy. 1 to the Nicoemen River turnoff.

I have never ridden the Murray Creek Road, but they said at the Deadzone last year that you can get thru to Hat Creek this way.

This is a good option because it only involves about 15 minutes on Hwy 1 from Spences Bridge south.

Bryn

FYI, don't bother with Murray Creek Road EAST to Spences Bridge if your destination is Lytton. Instead continue south on Laluwissin, and then maybe even Botanie - either will spit you out nice & close to Lytton.

 

[westcoast]

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Thanks for the info Mark, I did get the feeling Murray Creek Road was a bit dicey.

We can continue down Botanie Creek Road to Lyttonand then east on Hwy 1 to Nicoemen River Road. I will update my previous option list. (Option #3)

Bryn