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Bill 13 Off Road Vehicle Act for BC
- Thread starter tomcycle
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I would love to know out of all of Canada and the US that have laws for ORV use stickers vs plates. My plate on my dual sport already has to be mounted different from factory not to get destroyed. I can pretty much bet whatever figure that if there was a vote sticker vs plate it would have been 99.xx% vote on sticker guess it will be pretty hard for the cops to figure out the who's insured and who's not now as well as after 15 minutes you have enough dirt and mud on the back to barely read anything. Next we will get tickets for having dirty plates 
My understanding, the issue with decals or "stickers, something you get in a cereal box) the registration plate ( or whatever other identification they decide to use) is the property of ICBC, and as such needs to be returnable. thats the way it works here in BC and has worked for registration since the inception of ICBC. Its a system that works well for registration of vehicles, but not so good for dirt bikes.
So far I was told that the plate only needs to be "visible", location will up to the owner. Dirt bikes have never had a Transport Canada requirement for a placement of a metal plate, so I think it will be pretty hard to insist on a location for plate.
I can tell you that in Washington State if you want to ride on a Fire Road you will need a plate, bonus is that once you have that plate you can ride on any road.
So far I was told that the plate only needs to be "visible", location will up to the owner. Dirt bikes have never had a Transport Canada requirement for a placement of a metal plate, so I think it will be pretty hard to insist on a location for plate.
I can tell you that in Washington State if you want to ride on a Fire Road you will need a plate, bonus is that once you have that plate you can ride on any road.
Cultusking
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Maybe the number should be 20-20? Hindsight is not better than foresight
Victoria Supermoto
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Looks like a standard plate with some new fancy blue graphic on the top
They said they were going to keep the costs down, why reinvent the wheel?
Can we just start calling the plate the leg slasher 200??
I just thought I would spend a little time helping whomever takes this seriously, that number plates on a kids bike does not make much, if any sense.
Below is a scale model of the PW and a scaled version of the new Off Road Plate
Here is the venerable PW its not as clear as I would like it but obviously there is no place on the rear fender as the plate is just plain bigger than the fender
I have make the scaled plate semi transparent. If you look closely at the side cover you can see the plate is substantially larger than the side cover, it will interfere with the proper operation of the suspension and if mounted on the other side will also interfere with the safety guard of the chain that protect the kids leg.
The same goes for the front fender/number location. In this particular case I would have to agree that a sharp edged metal plate is not only dangerous but if I saw this mounted on a kids bike I would think the parents as negligent or just plain ignorant to their child's safety. I predict small kids that will be scared for life if this is allowed to happen.
I hope this graphic will demonstrate the difficulty we as dirt bikers have with the issue of metal plates on kids bikes, as a picture is always worth a 1000 words
Below is a scale model of the PW and a scaled version of the new Off Road Plate
Here is the venerable PW its not as clear as I would like it but obviously there is no place on the rear fender as the plate is just plain bigger than the fender
I have make the scaled plate semi transparent. If you look closely at the side cover you can see the plate is substantially larger than the side cover, it will interfere with the proper operation of the suspension and if mounted on the other side will also interfere with the safety guard of the chain that protect the kids leg.
The same goes for the front fender/number location. In this particular case I would have to agree that a sharp edged metal plate is not only dangerous but if I saw this mounted on a kids bike I would think the parents as negligent or just plain ignorant to their child's safety. I predict small kids that will be scared for life if this is allowed to happen.
I hope this graphic will demonstrate the difficulty we as dirt bikers have with the issue of metal plates on kids bikes, as a picture is always worth a 1000 words
cactusreid
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i'm thinking that a lot of folks won't register their bikes, as they will just pick up dropped/torn off plates that they find on the trails,and strap them to their own unlicienced bike? See if you look hard enough, there is always a silver lining in every black cloud. I can fasten said plate to my rear fender, but as my gasgas has no rear drop to fasten a plate to, i guess the plate police will have to read my plate from overhead. or i also like the frt spoke mounting idea,as that would probably protect the plate from getting ripped off of the bike alot better that some other mounting points. I assume we will also have to pay out of pocket again and again if we do loose a plate?
I do like the idea of haveing insurance when crossing FSR's etc, but that has not been clearly defined as of yet has it? I have only been seeing that i'm covered when loading and unloading my dirtbike in a staging area or on the side of an FSR. What could possibly go wrong that you would need an insurance policy when loading a dirtbike?? Just asking as I can't think of anything at the moment?
all in all, another pretty good idea, fine tuned by a bunch of beuracrats to the point of being almost impossible to implement and enforce.
I do like the idea of haveing insurance when crossing FSR's etc, but that has not been clearly defined as of yet has it? I have only been seeing that i'm covered when loading and unloading my dirtbike in a staging area or on the side of an FSR. What could possibly go wrong that you would need an insurance policy when loading a dirtbike?? Just asking as I can't think of anything at the moment?
all in all, another pretty good idea, fine tuned by a bunch of beuracrats to the point of being almost impossible to implement and enforce.
Cactus
there is lots of confusion on insurance, but if we stick to the basics we should be able to figure it out.
The registration plate does not provide you with any insurance. It is only a plate that identifies that the ORV that it is attached to is registered.
You can buy optional insurance (you will get a sticker just like your car, to put on the plate) from ICBC to Load/Unload your bike in a parking lot, remember that most parking lots are private property but they fall under the motor vehicle act as a Highway, that because they have public access. that probably includes your local dealers lot. From what I understand this insurance from ICBC does not permit operation of the OHV Im guessing just pushing. It also provides insurance to cross a highway where it is marked as such. I dont know of any highway crossing but I am sure there are some up north, this is probably for the snowmobile guys.
Private insurance companies will provide you insurance that will meet the requirements for operating your ORV on Forest Service Roads and that starts around $85.00 year. This insurance also covers you anywhere on crown land, ie trails. At this time only ICBC can offer insurance for anything to do with highways, so my take is this insurance cant cover you for what the icbc covers. As the rules are now only ICBC can provide basic coverage on highways.
Just like your car, you must carry with you the registration papers for the ORV. So if you use a found or stolen plate the fines will be pretty big. This is pretty simple to enforce as the cops just have to sit around a popular area and ask for registration. This is starting to sound like the good ol radar trap. I would say for the 48 bucks most of us wont think the alternative of explaining ourselves to a cop is worth the savings.
In short is sound like we need to carry one registration form, one metal plate and two insurance policies plus your Drivers licence (if on FSR). You're right the bureaucrats have outdone themselves on this little project.
I think Im going to need another zip lock bag
there is lots of confusion on insurance, but if we stick to the basics we should be able to figure it out.
The registration plate does not provide you with any insurance. It is only a plate that identifies that the ORV that it is attached to is registered.
You can buy optional insurance (you will get a sticker just like your car, to put on the plate) from ICBC to Load/Unload your bike in a parking lot, remember that most parking lots are private property but they fall under the motor vehicle act as a Highway, that because they have public access. that probably includes your local dealers lot. From what I understand this insurance from ICBC does not permit operation of the OHV Im guessing just pushing. It also provides insurance to cross a highway where it is marked as such. I dont know of any highway crossing but I am sure there are some up north, this is probably for the snowmobile guys.
Private insurance companies will provide you insurance that will meet the requirements for operating your ORV on Forest Service Roads and that starts around $85.00 year. This insurance also covers you anywhere on crown land, ie trails. At this time only ICBC can offer insurance for anything to do with highways, so my take is this insurance cant cover you for what the icbc covers. As the rules are now only ICBC can provide basic coverage on highways.
Just like your car, you must carry with you the registration papers for the ORV. So if you use a found or stolen plate the fines will be pretty big. This is pretty simple to enforce as the cops just have to sit around a popular area and ask for registration. This is starting to sound like the good ol radar trap. I would say for the 48 bucks most of us wont think the alternative of explaining ourselves to a cop is worth the savings.
In short is sound like we need to carry one registration form, one metal plate and two insurance policies plus your Drivers licence (if on FSR). You're right the bureaucrats have outdone themselves on this little project.
I think Im going to need another zip lock bag
Victoria Supermoto
New member
Something to think about. If you have a street legal dirtbike say a dirt bike you registered years ago plated and ride on the street. In order to ride that bike in the woods will you have to register it as a dirt bike and give up the street reg or insure it for the road so you can ride it in the dirt? I am figuring you will have to make the choice do you give up the ability to ride your bike on the street and have dirt plates only or do you insure with street plates and treat it like a dual sport? There is a substantial difference in insurance costs.
I have already thought of this and posed that question to BCORMA, the only answer I got back was this was something they did not think of
I am in that position as I like to ride all year round and in the winter I dont ride on the road but I do ride on the fsrs and I buy a separate off road policy from Oasis. If you haven't figured it out yet, I went to renew my Oasis policy and they felt that I would not be covered if I did not have OHV registration. The short answer is there is no answer. I also asked would I at least be covered on crown land? They were no longer sure and are looking into it.
I dont know if there are many riders in the same position as I but I am sure there are a few.
Tom
cactusreid
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"the only answer I got back was this was something they did not think of"
SEEMS TO BE A BIT OF A RECURRING THEME ON THIS SUBJECT?
SEEMS TO BE A BIT OF A RECURRING THEME ON THIS SUBJECT?
cactusreid
Active member
i think "that" kind of loading would be covered by ICBC insurance, but pictures could possibly help decide?
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cactusreid
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yup that's it, except dorky has a brown f150!
I prefer this method https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnRS8f9QcrA